Billet Oil Pump Gears?

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Back2Mustangs

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Gearbanger told me to get billet oil pump gears, but shopping around on VT engines and other performance websites, I can't find any. I see that most of them sell and advertise that they use the FRPP oil pump, and its like $65.00... Are billet oil pump gears something I would need above and beyond this FRPP oil pump? (considering this is a 600HP setup)

Thanks, guys.
 

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Hey, Bob. Randy was telling me in a nother thread that in order to use 2-valve heads on a Cobra block I would have to use a 2-valve timing cover and drill the holes in the block for it. I was told before that I would need a 4-valve timing cover. Did you use a 2-valve timing cover? He also told me that all of the timing parts would swap over from my GT block, except for the swing arm chain guides. What did you do for the timing chain guides and sprockets? I certainly wouldn't doubt Randy, I was just wondering...
 
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Back2Mustangs said:
Hey, Bob. Randy was telling me in a nother thread that in order to use 2-valve heads on a Cobra block I would have to use a 2-valve timing cover and drill the holes in the block for it. I was told before that I would need a 4-valve timing cover. Did you use a 2-valve timing cover? He also told me that all of the timing parts would swap over from my GT block, except for the swing arm chain guides. What did you do for the timing chain guides and sprockets? I certainly wouldn't doubt Randy, I was just wondering...
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I am using a 2V timing cover from a 94-95 4.6 Tbird/Cougar...its a direct swap. You can use your stock one but one of the bolt holes doesn't line up so it needs to be sealed with RTV. I wanted to do it right so i found the correct cover over on TCCOA. I have the part # saved in a pm on another forum, i'll look it up and post it for you...and Randy is correct about the different dowel pins in the Cobra block. I bought all that little stuff from him.
You also have to drill a hole where the water pump is on the block...i have a pic i'll dig that up too.
 
#9
F3AE is the timing cover you want...

and drill here

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CAPA still carries the SHM billit pump gears. I'm sure SHM still has them, he just probably doesn't list them any longer. Their part number is FPGS-001

http://www.capa.com.au/shm_oil.htm

....and don't go with the FRPP oil pump unless you're upgrading to a higher capacity oil pan. There has been talk of the FRPP pump sucking the pan dry when you're going hard into the corners with a 2V engine, since the 2V heads don't have the drain back capability that the 4V does. You'll want the extra capacity oil pan with some sort of baffling system to keep the oil from sloshing around to prevent this from happening.
 
#11
Thanks a lot guys! So now just to clarify:

Bob -> If I go with this F3AE 94-95 T-Bird cover I won't have to drill any holes - its as if it was made for a Cobra block with 2-valve heads? And I should drill that hole out because the 2-valve (NPI and/or PI) heads utilize it for the coolant?

Gearbanger So are you saying I should retain my oil pump, and only replace the gears? I would have to replace the pick-up tube also, yes? Will the oil pump on my 96 GT block transfer over the Cobra block?

I was already entertaining the idea of an aluminum 7qt Canton pan and windage tray. You think that is a good idea because of the 2-valve heads - or only swap pans if I get the FRPP pump?
 
#12
if you use the 7qt pan and a windage tray you can use the DOHC oil pump and pik-up tube(same as frpp) but you will have to trim the crank scraper in 1/2 on the DOHC pik-up tube in order for it to clear the Canton full length windage tray.

also of note, the 2V heads have the same size drain-back holes as the 4V heads so there are NO problems there
 
#13
Well now I have to ask: How would I benefit from using a Cobra/FRPP oil pump and pick-up instead of the GT pump and tube since I'm building a 2-valve longblock. Will the extra volume of the Cobra/FRPP oil-pump be better for my high HP/high RPM application?
 
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Back2Mustangs said:
Well now I have to ask: How would I benefit from using a Cobra/FRPP oil pump and pick-up instead of the GT pump and tube since I'm building a 2-valve longblock. Will the extra volume of the Cobra/FRPP oil-pump be better for my high HP/high RPM application?
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yes if would + if your shopping for billett gears, I think they are ONLY made for the larger DOHC oil pumps, now the 2V pump is not that bad to use but I don't think they make billett gears for it, yet?
 
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RandyStinchcomb said:
also of note, the 2V heads have the same size drain-back holes as the 4V heads so there are NO problems there
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What are the issues I hear related to using the FRPP pump on the stock 2V engines then? Before I installed my pump, everyone warned me that I'd suck the pan dry in the corners with it if I stuck with my stock capacity oil pan. Funny thing is, is that as far as I'm aware the Cobra uses the same size oil pan as the 2V. Is the Cobra pan baffled differently, or is it the fact that a 4V has an additional set of cams to feed that allows it to slow the circulation within the system and retain its reservoir capacity within the pan? Or is it another one of those internet myths that got started because someone blew their engine up and blamed it on the pump instead of their own misdoings?
 
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Back2Mustangs said:
Gearbanger So are you saying I should retain my oil pump, and only replace the gears? I would have to replace the pick-up tube also, yes? Will the oil pump on my 96 GT block transfer over the Cobra block?
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No, as Randy stated, you'll need the DOHC pump (or FRPP unit as I suggested) in order to use the gears. If memory serves, the case and gears with the DOHC/FRPP pumps are thicker than the standard ones by comparison. Otherwise, the pump itself is a direct swap.

If you go with the FRPP pump, the replacement pick-up tube comes with it. If you end up getting one from someplace else and it doesn't come with a tube, let me know. I've still got the one that came with mine lying around somewhere, since I had to use the Mark VIII tube and oil pan with my MN12.

....as the matter of fact, it was Randy I ended up getting my Mark VIII pick-up tube from. :D
 
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Gearbanger 101 said:
What are the issues I hear related to using the FRPP pump on the stock 2V engines then? Before I installed my pump, everyone warned me that I'd suck the pan dry in the corners with it if I stuck with my stock capacity oil pan. Funny thing is, is that as far as I'm aware the Cobra uses the same size oil pan as the 2V. Is the Cobra pan baffled differently, or is it the fact that a 4V has an additional set of cams to feed that allows it to slow the circulation within the system and retain its reservoir capacity within the pan? Or is it another one of those internet myths that got started because someone blew their engine up and blamed it on the pump instead of their own misdoings?
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yeah SOHC's and DOHC's use the same engine oil pan, I think that all got started as one of those USIM's (unknown sourced internet myths):D
 
#18
Ok cool. So I should just get an MMR pump... It comes with a pick-up, but its probably the standard Cobra/FRPP tube, so is there a pick-up tube that I can use that doesn't require me to lose half the windage tray? Is the Canton windage tray the only one that has interferance - could I go with a different windage tray to work with the Cobra pick-up tube?

This stuff is making my brain hurt. :crazy:
 
#19
Triangle Speed Shop makes both 4V and 2V billet oil pump gears and are soon to release a 3V oil pump gear. They are $349.00 for a set. These gears are the only ones that are made of the right material and to the correct specs. The ones that VT used to carry and the ones that MMR carry have failed and have cost people their engines so be very careful with whose gear you get. VT I believe carries TSS gears now.
 
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