BLOWN UP 2011 5.0

#21


I'm not a fan of kicking a dude when he's down but reading this thread brings to mind the number of people out there who HAVE NO BUSINESS modifying ANY car. They don't do their homework, they don't understand the possible repercussions of the mods they just slap on, and are therefore, not prepared to accept responsibility for what they've done when all goes BOOM.

So for all the folks out there that come out of the movie theater having watched Fast and Furious but have more money than understanding... GET QUALIFIED HELP BEFORE YOU MOD.

It feels like I've been screaming and hollering about the evil of off-the-shelf tunes for years. Two cars that roll off the line one right after the other are DIFFERENT! If you decide to tune a car for ANY reason, then go to a qualified tuner.

To the OP. Sorry about your luck bro but this is what happens when you don't understand how things work before you do them. Would have been great if you'd signed up as a member here a couple of months BEFORE you slapped that tuner onto your ride.
 
#22
I feel your pain and frustration. The root cause of this whole problem is what your were told by the dealer about its being OK with the tune and nitrous. You should have had that "OK" put in writing with a signature. I guarantee they would NOT have signed it. They mislead you bigtime.

Being a risk averse person by nature, I wouldn't even consider messing with a stock engine fresh off the assembly line. The risk of a resulting bad situation is too great. You need to understand and be willing to bear the circumstances of your decision.
 
#23
Yea dude, I'm not a big fan on changing the tune of a car unless it is a must. I'm in aggreement with you a 100 percent.

O.p. should have actually went to a dyno, especially with such a new engine like the Coyote. Jumping on the "bandwagon" has its consequences, and a pricey one at that when a car company develops new engine.

The more people realize that the heart of this country's soul is to make as much money as possible. Collateral damage is assumed but not absorbed, and my fear is that the O.p. is collateral damage. If Ford is wrong, Ford won't admit it. Cost money to be wrong, more money then to be right in the corparate world.

Ford has more lawyers then the O.p. has money and they will tie up the litagation process until the O.p. drops the lawsuit. Lawyers charge by the hour. The Justice system is labourious and slow, so that they can cross there "T's" and dot there "I's".

Its normal to be pissed, but no good can come out of that law suit. Buy your self a crate-engine and call it a day.

I'm feeling as though I am digressing, my heart goes out to you.
 
#24
ATISTANG said:
Mike didnt void ****, the owner is the one who decided to have the car tuned
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I agree, but Mike did the work on the car. Mike did remind him that there would no longer be a warranty on the car?

According to the owner, Mike said:
I then called BAMA tuning and talked to Mike, Mike was very helpful and said that he would do anything to help me fix the problem and get my car fixed.
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If the quote is true, maybe they will pull the head off and take a look? "White" smoke usually means a head gasket blew (water got in the combustion chamber).

I've seen nothing that would tell me that it is a failure of the rotating assembly. He did the right thing by shutting down the engine and towing it to a shop. Did the shop drain the oil and look at the fluid for signs of water? Did they check the radiator for signs of oil? Did they pull the oil filter and look for metal shavings?

I would have done it first to my engine. And I am just a shade-tree guy that only works on my cars. This isn't rocket science.
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#28
Svtpilot said:
Lets be fair. He may be a dumb a$$ for being surprised that his mods voided his warranty, and he may be a dumb a$$ for believing the sales manager, but if modding a brand new car makes him a dumb a$$ then most of us here are dumb a$$es as well.
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That's a fairly poor analogy of his situation. I don't consider myself a 'dumb ass' for modding my ride. As a professional (now retired), I am fully aware of the consequences of modding a 'new' car. Most people are. At least, those who do their homework before making a decision to alter their brand new stock ride. The 'informed' are not dumb asses, they make decisions based on knowledge of consequences.

Under the OP's story, the dealer could have told him he could run the thing above redline for the entire day and Ford would back the warranty should the engine have a meltdoown. It's like telling someone, "Hey, I got some Pacific Arizona shoreline property to sell ya for cheap!" Sales people at dealerships are there to sell you a car anyway they can. Most of them couldn't tell you a thing about the car itself because they don't usually know anything about them. In many cases, they are new at that dealership. That's like a rule of thumb going in to purchase: 'Car buying 101". 1. DO NOT trust the sales guy on any unwritten incentive! Get it in writing and signed off by the dealership owner.
 
#29


Just wanted to add that the quote you're responding to is out of context. SVTpilot was responding to a post that I have removed from the thread. He was being facetious in response to someone else referring to people who mod new cars as, "dumbasses".
 
#30
Something tells me that this guy knows his goose is cooked, just needed a place to vent, and is never coming back.

But if the OP does actually come back, first, if you are any kind of car guy at all, remember that you almost certainly will know more about the car you are looking at than the salesperson, so trust yourself, not the salesman. Second, if BAMA has any kind of warranty you are under, that is your only chance of any recourse. Ford will not and does not have to cover a product they did not produce.

I'd personally never tune a car for this very reason. I know the chances are fairly small, but the risk is very large, too. Those engineers working at Ford are pretty smart and pretty thorough at what they do, so you have to realize that there are going to be trade-offs, usually in the reliability department. Odds are, the guys in the aftermarket shop aren't going to do a better overall job than Ford can, particularly when the aftermarket guys did none on the design work on the engine and its plumbing.

My advice from here, buy a crate engine, and if you still must have a tune, buy the Ford Racing tune, so you at least get a 3/36 warranty.
 
#32
I wonder if his SYNC worked


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#33
Stuff like this makes me sick, What give you the right to sue anyone?

If you really have owned all those cars how in the world have you not learned how to deal with a car dealership?

The #1 rule for any "promises" or "guarantees" from dealerships is GET IT IN WRITING AND *SIGNED* by a dealership rep then it doesnt matter what they say later you MIGHT have a chance in court then... Going into court saying well the salesman that no longer works there told me so is going to get you NO WHERE and this is me ignoring the fact that you have no right to sue at all. YOU signed the papers bud, YOU bought the tune without doing research, YOU didnt read BAMA's disclosure and YOU blew your engine

But you are stuck on "well others blew their #8 too!" I think the problem here is your fundamental lack of respect and morals for how business works. I feel for you bro, i really do but this is gonna have to be chucked up to lesson learned in the best case scenario and if you are really unlucky a ford rep will see this ridiculous post and sue YOU for slander claiming stock ford engines fail with no basis or proof to back it up...

Next time get it in writing, as for me, i have a 2011 Mustang GT and i didnt get it tuned for the sole reason that it is a first year engine and i dont want to risk it, after my warranty goes then i may look into it but until then 412HP is plenty for me.

Law Suits dont get you anywhere bro ford has millions to spend to defend themselves and since you are complaining about 10k im sure you dont have near that kind of money. And ford WILL spend millions to stop this because if they have to fix yours they will have to fix everyone's so if you do go through with this stupid law suit (and it is stupid) be prepared for a long battle and a lot more than 10k spent on a lawyer.

If i were you i would ask BAMA about their warranty and call it a day. Sucks man but you made the mistake, Good Luck
 
#34

1. Don't believe anything a salesman tells you.
2. Your car is not brand new. You modified it and drove it.
3. Apparently it still runs, but smokes. You can have #8 cylinder, piston, rings, etc repaired for WAY under 10k.
Fix it and move on. Ford is not responsible. BAMA maybe, but don't hold your breath.
Just my 2 cents
 
#35
I would do a tune on a brand new 5.0, but only from FMS or Steeda. A tune by Ford Racing is obviously NOT going to have the issues that an independent tuner might have due to lack of experience or knowledge. I would trust a Steeda tune simply because they work hand in hand with Ford Racing developing not only Steeda parts and pieces but also they do the design and development for Ford Racing as well on those same parts. If Roush offered a tune I would probably trust that as well. Otherwise I would do a wait and see on the independent folks to see if they get there act together. Look at what Kenne Bell is getting for HP out of one of the supercharged 5.0 bone ass stock. Over 800 HP without failure, why? Because Kenne Bell knows there S*** when it comes to boosted tunes. Same with Vortech/Paxton ect. These folks do thousands of hours of research and development before releasing anything to the public. I think the OP issues is strickly a tune issue and not a 5.0 engine issue.
 
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