• Mustang Forums
  • 1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk-

Borgeson Power Steering Box Upgrade Question (SOLVED)

  • Thread starter Thread starter GOvert
  • Start date Start date Jul 22, 2018
G

GOvert

15 Year Member
Jan 27, 2007
491
100
63
north central Tennessee Valley
Jul 22, 2018
#1
  • Jul 22, 2018
  • #1
Maybe I can use the words C2 power Steering Pump in the 1965-1973 without breaking any rules. The "Small Block Ford Engine" that I will be using in my 1965 Mustang will have the M II C2 pump attached. Has anyone used this pump with the Borgeson Power Steering upgrade Kit part #999020 ?
I've attached a picture of the pump for Identification purposes
 
Last edited: Jul 22, 2018

horse sence

15 Year Member
Nov 29, 1999
12,314
8,172
233
Wile Coyote's stunt double
Jul 23, 2018
#2
  • Jul 23, 2018
  • #2
Not sure about that pump but the stock 65 -70 pump is not strong enough
 
G

GOvert

15 Year Member
Jan 27, 2007
491
100
63
north central Tennessee Valley
Jul 23, 2018
#3
  • Jul 23, 2018
  • #3
Thanks Jim, I have yet to research pump pressures. I may check directly with Borgeson because I think the C2 high pressure hose end is unique.Thanks again, Greg
 
G

GOvert

15 Year Member
Jan 27, 2007
491
100
63
north central Tennessee Valley
Jul 24, 2018
#4
  • Jul 24, 2018
  • #4
I just found this info on ford-trucks.com:

The Ford CII pump (F150-350, Bronco) flows 1.5 gallons/minute at 740 psi. The pressure relief is in the pump and set at 1400 to 1500 psi.

The Ford Saginaw pump (E100-350) flows 1.8 gallons/minute at 620 psi and its relief valve is set at 1350 to 1450 psi.

Here is what I came up with after 1.5 hours of research:
The CII pump has similar performance characteristics to the Saginaw pump.
The '79 Ford Pick-up has a factory CII pump on it.
The '79 Pick-up pressure hose is available in my Zip-code at AZ for $18.49.
The Borgeson Power Steering conversion kit for the '65 Mustang 6 cyl kit hoses are longer than the V-8 kit.
The kit can be purchased for the V-8 and request the longer 6 cyl lines if needed.
The '79 PU hose can be cut at some point in the rubber hose area.
The Borgeson Pressure hose "pump end" fitting can be cut off.
The PU hose (pump end) and the Borgeson hose (Steering box section of hose) can be taken to a local Hydraulic hose shop and be joined together properly with a union.
Picture of the 1979 Ford F-150 pick-up High Pressure Power Steering hose below.

"Da Da !"
 
Last edited: Jul 24, 2018
S

simplemaaan

New Member
Oct 3, 2018
5
0
1
Texas
Oct 6, 2018
#5
  • Oct 6, 2018
  • #5
GOvert said:
I just found this info on ford-trucks.com:

The Ford CII pump (F150-350, Bronco) flows 1.5 gallons/minute at 740 psi. The pressure relief is in the pump and set at 1400 to 1500 psi.

The Ford Saginaw pump (E100-350) flows 1.8 gallons/minute at 620 psi and its relief valve is set at 1350 to 1450 psi.

Here is what I came up with after 1.5 hours of research:
The CII pump has similar performance characteristics to the Saginaw pump.
The '79 Ford Pick-up has a factory CII pump on it.
The '79 Pick-up pressure hose is available in my Zip-code at AZ for $18.49.
The Borgeson Power Steering conversion kit for the '65 Mustang 6 cyl kit hoses are longer than the V-8 kit.
The kit can be purchased for the V-8 and request the longer 6 cyl lines if needed.
The '79 PU hose can be cut at some point in the rubber hose area.
The Borgeson Pressure hose "pump end" fitting can be cut off.
The PU hose (pump end) and the Borgeson hose (Steering box section of hose) can be taken to a local Hydraulic hose shop and be joined together properly with a union.
Picture of the 1979 Ford F-150 pick-up High Pressure Power Steering hose below.

"Da Da !"
Click to expand...
do you know if a pump from an "89 5.0 is the same?
 
G

GOvert

15 Year Member
Jan 27, 2007
491
100
63
north central Tennessee Valley
Oct 7, 2018
#6
  • Oct 7, 2018
  • #6
If it is the C2 pump.
Edited: Let me rephrase that. I assume so, however I have not researched the C2 pump from the Foxbody angle. I did from the F150 direction because I picked it as a real power steering box vehicle with a C2 pump. I have not researched the Foxbody R & P pressure and flow requirements. It may be as easy as looking up the mid '70s F150 PS pump (C2) and the '89 Mustang PS pump online parts shopping and if the part numbers are the same....
 
Last edited: Oct 7, 2018
S

simplemaaan

New Member
Oct 3, 2018
5
0
1
Texas
Oct 8, 2018
#7
  • Oct 8, 2018
  • #7
GOvert said:
If it is the C2 pump.
Edited: Let me rephrase that. I assume so, however I have not researched the C2 pump from the Foxbody angle. I did from the F150 direction because I picked it as a real power steering box vehicle with a C2 pump. I have not researched the Foxbody R & P pressure and flow requirements. It may be as easy as looking up the mid '70s F150 PS pump (C2) and the '89 Mustang PS pump online parts shopping and if the part numbers are the same....
Click to expand...
Im gonna use the serpentine setup from the 5.0. Im just looking for someone to convince me between TCP rack or this pump set up. I have really no clue. Im not gonna race the car. I just want the best performance/radius turning I can get. The tech at TCP says I would need a crossover valve with this pump to decrease inlet pressure to the rack. Seems complicated.
 

The Shemdogg

Active Member
Mar 15, 2016
137
23
38
san jose CA
Oct 8, 2018
#8
  • Oct 8, 2018
  • #8
I have a 95 5.0 in my 66 and im using the 95 ps pump on my stock mustang rack. No problems at all, just needed a fitting from lowes to make 66 hose fit.

shem
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

G
Integral power steering box options
  • GOvert
  • Jul 20, 2024
  • 1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk-
Replies
0
Views
569
1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk- Jul 20, 2024
GOvert
G
B
water pump installation questions
  • B0udreaux
  • Feb 5, 2026
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
  • 2
Replies
38
Views
2K
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Feb 28, 2026
General karthief
Need Power Steering Pump Tech.
  • jimzzilla
  • Aug 9, 2024
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
3
Views
919
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Aug 9, 2024
jimzzilla
B
Where to go from here on my build…
  • B0udreaux
  • Jul 14, 2026
  • 1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk-
Replies
8
Views
225
1979 - 1995 (Fox, SN95.0, & 2.3L) -General/Talk- Jul 18, 2026
AeroCoupe
SOLD SOLD!!!! 1993 Notchback Roadracer For Sale. She's a beast!
  • Boydster
  • Apr 25, 2025
  • Fox Body Mustangs For Sale (1979-93)
Replies
0
Views
1K
Fox Body Mustangs For Sale (1979-93) Apr 25, 2025
Boydster
Share:
Bluesky Email Share Link
  • Mustang Forums
  • 1965 - 1973 Classic Mustangs -General/Talk-
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Forums
  • What's new
  • Media
  • Resources
  • Contact
  • Sponsor
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?