C&L Plenum? Why buy a throttle body also??

sasscuba · Feb 28, 2004

Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine only reports an additional 2 HP and 3 LB torque with a Accufab TB. I just can't see spending another $200 for the TB for 2 HP when for $180 the C&L is around 8-12 by itself. Any reason why I should get both? Please tell me why it would be a good thing to get.

Also do you need to get a Dyno tune after this install or will everything be ok without one? Thanks.

Celsyus · Feb 28, 2004

stangscuba98a said:
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine only reports an additional 2 HP and 3 LB torque with a Accufab TB. I just can't see spending another $200 for the TB for 2 HP when for $180 the C&L is around 8-12 by itself. Any reason why I should get both? Please tell me why it would be a good thing to get.

Also do you need to get a Dyno tune after this install or will everything be ok without one? Thanks.

isn't the accufab plenum better flowing therefore has more power than the C&L? or do i have it backwards?

Beau · Feb 28, 2004

the C & L plenum is optimized for the 75mm throttle body. SO to see the most gains, matching it with a 75mm TB is a wise idea.

wms004 · Feb 28, 2004

stangscuba98a said:
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine only reports an additional 2 HP and 3 LB torque with a Accufab TB. I just can't see spending another $200 for the TB for 2 HP when for $180 the C&L is around 8-12 by itself. Any reason why I should get both? Please tell me why it would be a good thing to get.

Also do you need to get a Dyno tune after this install or will everything be ok without one? Thanks.

They work together to make a better curve.
I have a dragon plenum and I just ordered a 75mm Accufab t/b from Ronnie Diaz (www.rdmrdm.com)
http://www.cnlperformance.com/images/TBCompareTest2.jpg
This should speak for itself

-wade

sasscuba · Feb 28, 2004

1990StangLX said:
the C & L plenum is optimized for the 75mm throttle body. SO to see the most gains, matching it with a 75mm TB is a wise idea.

What about a tune after install? Did you really notice the increase after you installed both?

Beau · Feb 28, 2004

stangscuba98a said:
What about a tune after install? Did you really notice the increase after you installed both?

my "tune" consisted of disconnecting the battery and then holding the brake pedal down to drain all electricity from the system. then 10 minutes later i reconnected the battery and it's been awesome ever since.

03Sleeper · Feb 28, 2004

I have the accufab and C&L setup and I love it!!
I can feel a real SOTP diffrence I can feel HP/Tourqe..

BlackVert · Feb 28, 2004

1990StangLX said:
my "tune" consisted of disconnecting the battery and then holding the brake pedal down to drain all electricity from the system. then 10 minutes later i reconnected the battery and it's been awesome ever since.

Would just disconnecting the battery for an hour accomplish the same thing?

I just installed the MAF kit, True-Flow Pipe, TB, and Plenum. It started pinging bad under load but, then after disconnecting the battery for an hour (I didn't hold the brake pedal down), the pinging has stopped. I still have a check engine light and the idle is wierd (kind of like it was when the IAC needed to be replaced). Could a lean A/F ratio cause the check engine light, or is it more likely that the TPS is off and needs to be adjusted?

wms004 · Feb 28, 2004

03Sleeper said:
I have the accufab and C&L setup and I love it!!
I can feel a real SOTP diffrence I can feel HP/Tourqe..

thought you were getting a dyno?

Beau · Feb 28, 2004

Black96VertGT said:
Would just disconnecting the battery for an hour accomplish the same thing?

I just installed the MAF kit, True-Flow Pipe, TB, and Plenum. It started pinging bad under load but, then after disconnecting the battery for an hour (I didn't hold the brake pedal down), the pinging has stopped. I still have a check engine light and the idle is wierd (kind of like it was when the IAC needed to be replaced). Could a lean A/F ratio cause the check engine light, or is it more likely that the TPS is off and needs to be adjusted?

i honestly don't know. i held the brake down to get all the electricity out of the system, and i don't know if what you did was the same thing. i honestly would think that it would, but i am no mechanic

what i'd do is get the code scanned and see what it is, then you'll know whether you need new parts or to just adjust something.

Redfire03GT · Feb 29, 2004

Most of the gains noticed by the C&L Plenum + TB combo are noticed throughout the power band especially in the lower rpm's. Just because something only gives a peak of 2 hp, doesn't mean thats all it gives. There's more to it than that.

If you could see an over lap of the dyno sheets, you can actually pick out where you see the most gains. If in fact all you gained was just simply 2hp in very high rpm's, then sure, it might be a waste of money for some folks but, chances are, you probably gained that much if not more in the lower rpm's.

Hope that helps.

'96&'01Stang · Feb 29, 2004

Black96VertGT said:
Would just disconnecting the battery for an hour accomplish the same thing?

I just installed the MAF kit, True-Flow Pipe, TB, and Plenum. It started pinging bad under load but, then after disconnecting the battery for an hour (I didn't hold the brake pedal down), the pinging has stopped. I still have a check engine light and the idle is wierd (kind of like it was when the IAC needed to be replaced). Could a lean A/F ratio cause the check engine light, or is it more likely that the TPS is off and needs to be adjusted?

Check to make sure you hooked up all your vacuum lines correctly. You may have also damaged your IAC when you took it off

LZR01GT · Feb 29, 2004

Redfire03GT said:
Most of the gains noticed by the C&L Plenum + TB combo are noticed throughout the power band especially in the lower rpm's. Just because something only gives a peak of 2 hp, doesn't mean thats all it gives. There's more to it than that.

If you could see an over lap of the dyno sheets, you can actually pick out where you see the most gains. If in fact all you gained was just simply 2hp in very high rpm's, then sure, it might be a waste of money for some folks but, chances are, you probably gained that much if not more in the lower rpm's.

Hope that helps.

According to the Plenum Showdown at Modular Depot, Accufab plenum was the one to show gains throughout the power band, not C&L nor Dragon which only started showin gains after 3.7k exept at 2.6-2.8k. Perhaps recomended C&L+75mm TB does show gains throughout entire curve. Where can we see a third party graph with that combo?

Redfire03GT · Feb 29, 2004

I'm not sure where you can find a third party graph but, I managed to get my 2 different run's over lapped on a sheet that showed considerable gains in the low end as a pose to some what minimal gains (7hp) in the higher rpm's. I don't have a scanner, though. And the dyno sheet in my sig was a picture taken from a cell phone

edwardohaskillo · Mar 1, 2004

stangscuba98a said:
Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords magazine only reports an additional 2 HP and 3 LB torque with a Accufab TB. I just can't see spending another $200 for the TB for 2 HP when for $180 the C&L is around 8-12 by itself. QUOTE]

I can think of all kindsa things that I could buy with that extra $200. If you going to supercharge it or breathe it in any other way I could see it, but otherwise...

I have a feeling bigger TBs will be like CAIs. Lots of passionate feelings from people, but minimal gains. Atleast for the minimally tweaked stangs.

MustangLife · Mar 1, 2004

LZR01GT wrote

According to the Plenum Showdown at Modular Depot, Accufab plenum was the one to show gains throughout the power band, not C&L nor Dragon which only started showin gains after 3.7k exept at 2.6-2.8k. Perhaps recomended C&L+75mm TB does show gains throughout entire curve. Where can we see a third party graph with that combo?

Thats cool an all to get gains from idle on up or even in the 2000 rpms and up, BUt anything less than 3500 rpms measn nothing to me, cause when i race my car it doesn't see the 3500 and lower rpms.

My honest opinion is this. Throttle bodies showed no gains on a n/a car alone before the plenums all came out. But when they madethe plenums, they got good gains, well these manufacturers got deals with the throttle body companies and started to sell these with the throttle bodies for double the price. So companies will sell these kits for $380-$420 with the throttle body, instead of selling just a plenum for $180 or so. Its just a gimic to make more money.

Don't get me wrong, i believe plenums give good gains, but the tb's don't

Josh

03Sleeper · Mar 1, 2004

wms004 said:
thought you were getting a dyno?

As soon as the Inlet pipe and T/A show up!!
I got 1/2 of my toys adn the other 1/2 is stuck in the storm in the west...
Dyno got moved back to next monday!
Trust me as soon as I get it all I'll post the dyno results!

2000GT · Mar 1, 2004

MustangLife said:
LZR01GT wrote

Thats cool an all to get gains from idle on up or even in the 2000 rpms and up, BUt anything less than 3500 rpms measn nothing to me, cause when i race my car it doesn't see the 3500 and lower rpms.

My honest opinion is this. Throttle bodies showed no gains on a n/a car alone before the plenums all came out. But when they madethe plenums, they got good gains, well these manufacturers got deals with the throttle body companies and started to sell these with the throttle bodies for double the price. So companies will sell these kits for $380-$420 with the throttle body, instead of selling just a plenum for $180 or so. Its just a gimic to make more money.

Don't get me wrong, i believe plenums give good gains, but the tb's don't

Josh

But what does Mustang92 (Bill) think?

mrvax · Mar 1, 2004

2000GT said:
But what does Mustang92 (Bill) think?

Good question. Except Bill has the Bullitt kit and probably won't be pulling that off for some time.

stang09er · Mar 1, 2004

1990StangLX said:
the C & L plenum is optimized for the 75mm throttle body. SO to see the most gains, matching it with a 75mm TB is a wise idea.

What if i have a 70mm BBK TB and shave off 5mm from the edges? will that have the same effect as BUYING a 75mm!!

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