uhm, you dont need 93 octane to run cams, N/A cams are not a waste on a blown car, just not as efficient. And your saying if you wanna go with a blower down the road to not get cams, but why would you want the n2o when blown anyways, unless your forged and setup for crazy numbersdjk8705 said:Id say it all depends are what your final goal for the car is. If you plan to get a blower in the future like a lot of people do, then dont waste your money right now on N/A cams. With n20 you get the good gas mileage when your normal driving, and its not dangerous with a good tune and a window switch. Id hook mine up if I didnt need the money right now..... Also without the "lope" at idle you can surprise the hell outta a lot of people. Also not saying one is better then the other but they are relativly the same cost weather your installing or some1 else is, and when you say the bottle needs filling up, just think of it as the money your saving from having to run 93 gas and burning thru it more often.
-Dan
WhiteDevil69 said:uhm, you dont need 93 octane to run cams, N/A cams are not a waste on a blown car, just not as efficient. And your saying if you wanna go with a blower down the road to not get cams, but why would you want the n2o when blown anyways, unless your forged and setup for crazy numbers
nickthegenius said:OK, I don't claim to know all, but I can share what I have learned over the last few months when I was researching cams before installing them in April. And I still keep up on cam tech at Modular Depot where about 50% of the 2V guys are cammed or so it seems.
For nitrous, pick out a good set of N/A cams. For the level of nitrous any of us are going to see, we do not need a "nitrous-specific" cam. Comp and VT both have cams that would work great (Comp 262s and 270s or VT Stage I or IIs). I really don't know much about the Crower stuff. I am sure they are good, but there aren't many people running them yet.
Now don't get too disappointed if you think you might go s/c down the road and think you MUST swap cams again. The Comp 270s are actually supposed to be pretty good as a blower cam. Of all people, one of the VT guys that posts on MD stated that. Not as good as a blower grind, but they will still provide a nice gain with a s/c.
Now as far as my setup, I have an '03 with stock heads, stock intake, LTs, o/r X-pipe, pullies, upper plenum, 75mm TB, Steeda CAI, and Comp 270s. I took my car to a local tuner who told me up front that he hadn't done a (or very many) cammed 2v at that point in time. I still question the tune sometimes, but it put down 290hp @ 5580 and 301tq@4000. The car is very docile even with the lopey idle. It drives just like a stock car except for the slight problems that I am currently blaming on the tune after cold start-up.
Back to the original topic, I would get the cams first. Learn how to harness the new-found power at the track and have fun with it. Then, when you need an extra boost down the road, go for the nitrous. Thats my opinion
One last thing, I feel that there are two things holding me back at this point:
- 3.73 gears
- 6250 redline (needs to be 6500 to allow 6400rpm shifts)
nickthegenius said:OK, I don't claim to know all, but I can share what I have learned over the last few months when I was researching cams before installing them in April. And I still keep up on cam tech at Modular Depot where about 50% of the 2V guys are cammed or so it seems.
For nitrous, pick out a good set of N/A cams. For the level of nitrous any of us are going to see, we do not need a "nitrous-specific" cam. Comp and VT both have cams that would work great (Comp 262s and 270s or VT Stage I or IIs). I really don't know much about the Crower stuff. I am sure they are good, but there aren't many people running them yet.
Now don't get too disappointed if you think you might go s/c down the road and think you MUST swap cams again. The Comp 270s are actually supposed to be pretty good as a blower cam. Of all people, one of the VT guys that posts on MD stated that. Not as good as a blower grind, but they will still provide a nice gain with a s/c.
Now as far as my setup, I have an '03 with stock heads, stock intake, LTs, o/r X-pipe, pullies, upper plenum, 75mm TB, Steeda CAI, and Comp 270s. I took my car to a local tuner who told me up front that he hadn't done a (or very many) cammed 2v at that point in time. I still question the tune sometimes, but it put down 290hp @ 5580 and 301tq@4000. The car is very docile even with the lopey idle. It drives just like a stock car except for the slight problems that I am currently blaming on the tune after cold start-up.
Back to the original topic, I would get the cams first. Learn how to harness the new-found power at the track and have fun with it. Then, when you need an extra boost down the road, go for the nitrous. Thats my opinion
One last thing, I feel that there are two things holding me back at this point:
- 3.73 gears
- 6250 redline (needs to be 6500 to allow 6400rpm shifts)
Now stage I from both brands are supposed to work without a spring upgrade, correct? I would much prefer to avoid the spring swap if at all possible.nickthegenius said:Sorry for the confusion, but thats just the short version. They are XE270AHs. When talking about them on Modular Depot, I'm just used to abbreviating the name.
And it could easily be a daily driver. Nothing wrong with the way the car drives other than a couple minor tuning issues which are not the cams fault. The VT Stage I might suit you better though if you want to get something a little milder. Bill Putnam (Mustang92) did a write up a while back on here and on Modular Depot and he gained 22RWHP with the installation of VT Stage 1s.
nickthegenius said:Sorry for the confusion, but thats just the short version. They are XE270AHs. When talking about them on Modular Depot, I'm just used to abbreviating the name.
And it could easily be a daily driver. Nothing wrong with the way the car drives other than a couple minor tuning issues which are not the cams fault. The VT Stage I might suit you better though if you want to get something a little milder. Bill Putnam (Mustang92) did a write up a while back on here and on Modular Depot and he gained 22RWHP with the installation of VT Stage 1s.
Red35th said:High 13s or mid 12s?
That about sums it up...
blue46gt said:Wow, this turned out to be a really great thread! I'm going to go with cams first. I think I'll go with Comp Cams. I'm looking at a catalog and I see the 270's but what are the 278's? I know I have to get a spring kit with either of these but what other things do I have to do to make the cams work right? Thanks again guys for all the help!!
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