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Code 29...Mid Range Acceleration Shudder

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Mikey1968

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I keep getting a Code 29 in continuous memory on my 89 GT with a T5 and the A9P computer. VSS is relatively new and the cruise works fine and no stalling at stops. What gives?

My car feels like a weak cylinder with a mid range mild shudder during acceleration and was trying to get to a cylinder balance test.....Code 67 and 29 in CM.....sighhhhh!

Any ideas on a mid-range weak pull during acceleration with a little vibration?

Thanks,
Mike
 

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Are you holding the clutch down while you are pulling the codes? It needs to be down the entire time.

You don't need the codes cleared to run a cbt. You can run a koer test, and then at the end of the codes, blip the throttle and run the cbt test


I'd wait for the cbt results before speculating cause of your issue. For me....it was a dead injector
 

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Hmmmm....I tried to go straight to KOER and got no response from the reader...no engine ID codes, nothin!

I think my gf's kid didn't hold down the clutch all the way so that is that.

What was your symptoms for a dead injector? If I can't run the CMT, is there an easy way to check the injectors? All the front injectors that I can get a stethoscope on are ticking away.

I have Ford Racing plug wires with new Bosch + platinum plugs...guess I can swap in a new rotor and cap but I did clean those up...190k miles on the engine, or so
 

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Symptoms were a slight vibration off idle and a hesitation over 4500rpm

Did a cbt and it said #4 was not contribution. Pulled a plug and it looked new. Check resistance of the injector and it was 0 ohms. Replaced it and felt like I gained 50hp

I drove for a year like that
 

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Code 29 - Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) is an electronic sender mounted on the speedo pickup gear on the trans. It works the cruse control for both 5 speed and auto trans cars. The VSS is used to tell the computer to speed up the idle as you slow to a stop. This helps keep the engine from stalling when you slow down for a stop sign or stop light.
Check to see if the electrical connector is plugged into it. Clean the connector & contacts with non flammable brake parts cleaner prior to replacing the sensor, as that may fix the problem. The sensor cost is under $30 and it is easy to replace.

In your case, cleaning all the wiring contacts for the VSS sensor may be the best solution.

Code 67 - clutch not depressed (5 speed) or car not in neutral or park (auto) or A/C in On position when codes where dumped. Possible neutral safety switch or wiring problem. This code may prevent you from running the Key On Engine On tests. You can generally ignore this code, since it has no effect on engine performance.

The computer wants to make sure the A/C is off due to the added load on the engine for the engine running tests. It also checks to see that the transmission is in Neutral or the clutch depressed (T5, T56, Tremec 3550 & TKO). This prevents the diagnostics from being run when the car is driven. Key On Engine Running test mode takes the throttle control away from the driver for several tests. This could prove hazardous if the computer was jumpered into test mode and then driven.

The NSS code 67 can be bypassed for testing. You will need to temporarily ground computer pin 30 to the chassis. Computer pin 30 uses a Lt blue/yellow wire. Remove the passenger side kick panel and then remove the plastic cover from the computer wiring connector. Use a safety pin to probe the connector from the rear and jumper the safety pin to the ground near the computer.

Cylinder balance test:

Revised 21-Nov-2010 to improve readability of the cylinder balance test.

Warm the car's engine up to normal operating temperature. Use a jumper wire or paper clip to put the computer into test mode (see dumping the codes below).

Start the engine and let it go through the normal diagnostic tests, then quickly press the throttle to the floor. The engine RPM should exceed 2500 RPM's for a brief second. The engine RPM's will increase to about 1450-1600 RPM and hold steady.

The computer will then shut off each injector, one at a time. When it has sequenced through all 8 injectors, it will flash 9 for everything OK, or the number of the failing cylinder such as 2 for cylinder #2. Quickly pressing the throttle again up to 2500 RPM’s will cause the test to re-run with smaller qualifying figures. Do it a third time, and if the same cylinder shows up, the cylinder is weak and isn’t putting out power like it should.

See the Chilton’s Shop manual for the complete test procedure.

Dumping the computer trouble codes
Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method.
There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same
bundle of wires as the self test connector.



WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems.

Do a compression test on all the cylinders.
Take special note of any cylinder that shows up as weak in the cylinder balance test. Low compression on one of these cylinders rules out the injectors as being the most likely cause of the problem. Look at cylinders that fail the cylinder balance test but have good compression. These cylinders either have a bad injector, bad spark plug or spark plug wire. Move the wire and then the spark plug to another cylinder and run the cylinder balance test again. If it follows the moved wire or spark plug, you have found the problem. If the same cylinder fails the test again, the injector is bad. If different cylinders fail the cylinder balance test, you have ignition problems or wiring problems in the 10 pin black & white electrical connectors located by the EGR.

How to do a compression test:
Only use a compression tester with a screw in adapter for the spark plug hole. The other type leaks too much to get an accurate reading. Your local auto parts store may have a compression tester to rent. If you do mechanic work on your own car on a regular basis, it would be a good tool to add to your collection.

With the engine warmed up, remove all spark plugs and prop the throttle wide open, crank the engine until it the gage reading stops increasing. On a cold engine, it will be hard to tell what's good & what's not. Some of the recent posts have numbers ranging from 140-170 psi. If the compression is low, squirt some oil in the cylinder and do it again – if it comes up, the rings are worn. There should be no more than 10% difference between cylinders. Use a blow down leak test (puts compressed air inside cylinders) on cylinders that have more than 10% difference.

See the link to my site for details on how to build your own blow down type compression tester.
 

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Is there any way to go straight to the cylinder balance test or do you have to go through KOEO, Timing Check, KOER then the Cylinder Balance Test? Ideally, I want to go straight to the Cylinder Balance Test.......

What's the quickest way to the Cylinder Balance Test?

By the way, I have that yellow beeping scanner with on/off Audio and test/hold.
 

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You can start with the KOER test. Let it run through and once the final code blinks or is read off, ou can start the CBT
 

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Patience, grasshopper...


Spend the 20 seconds it takes for the computer to cycle through its initialization process and then press on the accelerator until the RPM exceeds 2500 RPM. The cylinder balance test will then start.

The initialization process makes sure that the engine will hold a steady 1350-1450 RPM under computer control. If it cannot do this, you will get random cylinders showing as bad when they aren't really bad.
 
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