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marine_2003

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I am having the worst time, I jump the car it runs, charges the battery, my volt meter shows 12-13 volts (autometer Gauge) I shut it off and have to jump it again. New battery new alt. I know that the wiring is messed up since the guy i bought the car from messed it up, because the windows roll down without the key being turned. Any help???
 

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its probably a high resistance in the starter wire or the clamp. the extra juice from the other battery is giving it enough to turn the motor over. pull the starter wire off and check the resistance of it
 

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I took the car down and had it tested my new battery an Optima Red Top was at 230 CCA when it comes with 720CCA. I think part of it has to do with the alt. having an underdrive pulley on it.
 

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If the windows go down with the key out or the ignition off, then it could be that other things have power with the key off and are draining the battery. You should have around 14.5 volts or so when the engine is running though. Buy yourself a cheap multimeter if you don't have one to check what the voltage is really at with the engine running. It does sound like your alt is not doing its job so well. You'll probably want to upgrade to a 3G alt since they have a higher amperage rating.
 

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I agree - check for a parasitic draw.

Also, make super sure the battery terminals are fitting the battery posts well. When you put a jumper on, you connect the donor battery to the + cable itself, which can bypass a bad battery-terminal to battery-post connection on the car itself. This can also impede battery charging. Don't as how I know.

Good luck.
 

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Current drains that run down the battery:

Typically it is something draining the battery. Small things like glove box or courtesy lights are often the culprits. If you have an aftermarket stereo or alarm system, it is also suspect.

The ideal method is to disconnect the positive terminal, and connect a Digital Multimeter (DVM) between the positive terminal on the battery and the positive cable. Set the DVM on a low current scale of 2-5 amps if it doesn't auto range. Watch the current draw, and then start pulling out fuses. When you see a sudden drop in the current, that circuit is the likely culprit. Note that the computer, radio & clock will draw less than 1/10 amp to keep the settings alive.

See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf. You will need the Adobe Acrobat viewer which is also a free download – http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html



No crank starter problems:
Here's a checklist:

Since some of the tests will bypass the safety interlocks, make sure that the car is in neutral and the parking brake is set. Becoming a pancake isn’t part of the repair process…

Check battery, terminal connections, ground, starter relay switch (also known as solenoid) and starter in that order. The clamp on with 2 bolts battery terminal ends are a know problem causer.

A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection: more than .5 volts across a connection indicates a problem.
See http://www.fluke.com/application_notes/automotive/circuit.asp?AGID=1&SID=103 for help


1.) Will the car start if it is jumped? Then clean battery terminals and check battery.

2.) Check the battery to engine block ground, and the ground behind the engine to the firewall.

3.) Jump the big terminals on the starter relay next to the battery with a screwdriver - watch out for the sparks! If the engine cranks, the starter and power wiring is good. The starter relay is also known as a starter solenoid.

4.) Then pull the small push on connector (red wire) off the starter relay (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Then jump between the screw and the terminal that is connected to the battery. If it starts, the relay is good and your problem is in the rest of the circuit.

5.) Remember to check the ignition switch, neutral safety switch on auto trans and the clutch safety switch on manual trans cars. If they are good, then you have wiring problems.
Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss &Stang&2birds


See http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80195963.gif for 88-90 year cars .OR see http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80195964.gif for 91-93 year cars. See http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/1d/db/3c/0900823d801ddb3c.jsp for 94-95 model cars.

6.) The starter may be hung, loosen up the bolts that hold it on, and give it a good whack with a big hammer. Tighten up the bolts and try again.

7.) If that doesn't work, use a jumper cable from the positive lead on the battery direct to the starter post where the big wire from the relay connects. If it cranks then, it is the power wire from the relay gone bad. This will be hard to do, since there isn't much room to do it.

8.) Pull the starter and take it to Autozone or Pep Boys and have them test it. Starter fails test, then replace it. If you got this far, the starter is probably bad.
 
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