Engine paint

its gonna be huge pain in the ass to do it with the engine in there but i guess it can be done by cleaning it all up by hand and the spraying paint but id really just wait and do it the right way.

cherry pickers arent that much...and could be rented. might even wanna try craigslist...hey you could clean up the engine while your at it...maybe add some stuff...

either way....its your back thats gonna be broken trying to scrape and sand while hanging over the fender, so its up to you lol....

On top of the painting... You could get some wire looms or zip tie if your on the cheap. A good de-greaser, and a pressure wash will do a lot too. Change out your oversprayed hoses, new air cleaner.. Those items will get you on your way. Here's a little inspiration for you, sorry no pics in the bay yet.

Oh I like that!! Perfect lighting too.

Pulling the engine is obviously the best approach and cherry pickers can be rented for $35 for a weekend. This is the route I went and essentially just rented it twice - once to pull and once to drop it back in when I was finished. For me, didn't make much sense to buy one since I wouldn't have much use for it ongoing and didn't want to eat up valuable garage space. If you still cannot pull the engine for whatever reason, I would strip out the radiator and all front accessories, battery & tray etc. This will give you enough room to actually climb into the engine bay and hit most of the spots without being hunched over the fenders. First step would be to degrease and pressure wash, followed by wet sanding or scuffing the firewall. Shoot any bare spots with a good primer. I would then prep the engine and spray it, then mask it off and finally do the finish coats on the engine bay. Replace hoses with new, repaint accessory brackets and pick up some dress up items like valve covers and air cleaner. These are pretty cheap these days and go a long way toward improving the looks. Here's some more inspiration for you:

Forget the inspiration for him - That is plenty enough for me to hurry my butt up and get my engine back in her home... Excellent photos.

as much as i pull my engine( about once a year for cleaning) i picked one up for about 100 bucks. I can pull it now in about 2 hours. Its out now for some changes and then back in.

I would get some Cartol Super Clean(purple stuff) and take it to a self serve car wash and use the high pressure sprayer. Get some of the cheezy braided hose covering and paint what you can. Remove things that are easy to replace or detail.

iskwezm said:

as much as i pull my engine( about once a year for cleaning) i picked one up for about 100 bucks. I can pull it now in about 2 hours. Its out now for some changes and then back in.

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do you pull it with or without the tranny each time?

Articles on engine bay detailing

Whether you decide to pull the engine or not here are a couple articles that might give you some ideas


http://mustangmonthly.com/howto/173_0308_paints_engines/

Good luck

The article below was from a link on another Mustang forum. I don't know the policy on this forum about links to others. If you want the URL (there is a photo) send me a message and I'll send it to you

Bob Johnson
67 Coupe 289
San Diego, CA

Classic Mustang Engine Compartment Detailing

By John Dettori

Detailing an engine compartment can be a weekend project. Depending on how close to concours correct you want to achieve, you could spend anywhere from $100 - 500 improving your engine compartment. $300 will do a nice job. There were numerous articles in Mustang Monthly, Mustangs & Fords, etc., in addition to the MM publication "Mustang Monthly's How To Vol. One". Assuming you're not going to remove the engine, nor spray paint from a gun, for a good quality job that you can do yourself over a weekend, you'll need:

1. Paint



* 2-3 cans engine paint, i.e. Krylon Ford Corporate Dark Blue, Eastwood Ford Dark Blue ($15)
* 3-5 cans semi-flat black paint, i.e. Krylon Semi-Flat Black, EW Under Hood Black ($25)
* 2-3 cans rough cast steel paint, i.e. Halon Cast Blast, EW Spray Gray ($15)
* 1-2 cans stamped/machined steel paint, i.e. Eastwood Detail Gray ($10)
* 1 can Exhaust Manifold Paint, i.e. EW Stainless Steel Gray Hi-Temp Coating ($15)

While some swear by Krylon, I personally prefer the Eastwood paints like Under Hood Black. They are a little more expensive, due to the high quality achieved via high paint solids content, coverage is superior, and you'll need less paint. There are several excellent products available, so you may want to ask at car shows, or buy a few and test them out for yourself.

Optional: specialty paints that approximate the following finishes:

* Silver Cad plating
* Carburetor Bronze
* Gold Cad plating
* Power Steering Pump Paint (Turquoise Blue)


2. Parts



* Tune-up parts if needed
o Distributor Cap, points, rotor, ignition wires, spark plugs
* Belts (Fan, P/S, A/C)
* Hoses (Upper/Lower Radiator, heater, vacuum)
* Fan Shroud - if appropriate
* Gaskets, sealer

Optional: correct parts for your car - all available repro



* AutoLite Distributor Cap
* AutoLite Ignition Wires
* "Yellow-top" Ignition Coil
* AutoLite Battery
* Correct Belts
* Correct Battery Cables
* Correct Alternator
* Correct Solenoid
* Correct Upper/Lower Radiator Hoses
* Correct Radiator Cap






3. Supplies

* Notebook & Camera
* 30 gallon Trash Bag
* Ziplock Bags
* Indelible marker
* Wire hangers/twisties
* Scotchbrite Pads
* Assorted Sandpaper
* Newspapers
* Masking Tape
* Small paint brushes
* Testor's Model paints
* Wire brush
* Fantastic/409
* Simple Green
* Tar & Bug Remover
* Engine Degreaser
* Kerosene
* Brake / Carb Cleaner
* Cardboard boxes
* Old towels / blanket
* Fender protector




4. Misc.

* Engine Decal Kit for your engine ($20)
* Wire separators ($3)
* Grommets ($5)
* Fasteners, bolts, wire ties, etc.



Disassembly

Run the engine to get it warm, then degrease your engine using a brush to remove as much dirt and grime as you can. A Power washer, steam cleaner or high pressure do-it-yourself car wash works well. Photograph the way everything is connected while it's still running; get a notebook, make a diagram, take notes, etc.

Remove all the accessories, hoses, belts and wires. Keep the distributor wires attached to the cap. If you're really going nuts, drain and remove the radiator and unbolt the exhaust manifolds from the block and the rest of the exhaust system. Bag and tag everything that comes off, using the Ziplock bags for small items, with clear labels, i.e. 67 Mustang 289-2V Exhaust manifold bolts 16 7/16. Large items get a masking tape tag.

Remove the battery tray, solenoid, voltage regulator, alternator, brackets, and little things like the windshield washer reservoir & pump. The engine compartment brace(s) should come off too. If removing the radiator, be sure to drain the coolant into an oil pan or other container and dispose of properly. Don't let it spill on the ground; it will kill your pets. And don't reuse it. If you're thinking about having the radiator tested, cleaned, or recored, now is the time.

Remove or cover the distributor. Wire brush (brass works best for me) the iron areas of the block that have rust or scale. Try Scotchbrite if necessary on softer finishes. Use compressed air to blow the dust created off. If necessary use some kerosene on a brush or rag to remove grease or grime remaining.
Getting It Done

Paint the motor first. Pick a warm dry day. Remove the air cleaner, stove pipes, carb, and valve covers, and set them aside for separate refinishing. Prep the block surface by removing any rust, loose paint, scale, etc. with a wire brush. Stuff paper towels in the intake manifold holes. Get the wires & hoses not removed out of the way. While engine compartment detailing is easier with the hood off, it's doable with the hood on. Once the surface is clean enough to paint, cover the engine compartment walls with cardboard, towels, etc. and make sure the fenders are covered. Spend time taping and covering the areas you don't want to paint. Paint the motor with even strokes from 6-10". If you removed the valve covers, use a strip of cardboard to cover the valve train. Give it a second coat when dry. A good prep job plus a high quality paint will yield a wet look when dry.

Paint the air cleaner and valve covers while the block is drying. Sandblast or strip these parts after degreasing. The better the prep, the better the results. You may choose to bang-out or body work any dents in these parts (the reason for removing them). Paint on cardboard, constructing paint stands from the cardboard boxes and wire hangers. Paint the interior of the air cleaner, including the lid bottom. Do not paint the inside of the valve covers. Two coats of paint on each part.

When dry, remove the cardboard & rags. Cover the motor with a trash can bag; two if possible. Use Scotchbrite to scuff the walls of engine compartment. If the walls have heavy rust or scale, you may wish to use a rust inhibiting primer like Eastwood's Corroless or POR-15. Then paint the satin finish black on the walls, using light coats. You're done when it looks good to you. Don't forget the shock tower caps, radiator support, engine brace, battery tray, and exposed frame crossmembers. Most pulleys, engine brackets, and the fan also get the satin black paint. Sandblasting is best, but at least degrease and scuff it. The radiator is actually a more glossy black, like Eastwood's Chassis Black, but some use the engine compartment color. TIP: when the engine is complete, install the new spark plugs. There's much more room before the exhaust manifolds are in.

If you removed the battery tray, there maybe a rust or even a hole underneath it; this is common. You can repair the hole with a product like POR-15's Patch Putty. A severe rust problem in this area or in other engine compartment walls * called "inner fender aprons" * may necessitate cutting out the rusted metal and welding in replacement sheet metal. But that will be covered in a separate article.

Power steering pumps were either black or a turquoise blue. Degrease, loosen but do not remove the hoses. I sat mine on a lower frame member. Use the Scotchbrite to scuff up. Cover the surrounding area with newspaper and masking tape. You're going to paint this in the engine compartment, but it's not at hard as it looks. You only need to paint what you can see. If using the blue, get the paint. Use a base coat of silver. When dry, spray the blue over the silver. When dry, cover the pump with newspaper and paint the pulley satin black.

Save the cardboard you used for the walls. If you removed the exhaust manifolds, sandblast or wire brush the rust and scale off. Using a foam brush and the High-Temp exhaust manifold paint, them, and let dry. If you're not going to have them installed on the motor within 72 hours, cure them in an over for 15 minutes at 400-degrees. That is, if you have an extra electric oven. Don't use the oven in your home! The makers of POR-15 make a high temperature coating like the EW product that appears to allow a week or two between application and curing.

Put the cardboard in place over the walls to protect your newly painted finish, remove the garbage bag and install. Then hook up the rest of the exhaust system.

The hood latch & catch, hinges & springs, coil bracket, master cylinder body, and steering gear body get the natural metal paint (EW Spray Gray). The alternator body gets the lighter gray (EW Detail Gray). The Distributor housing, shaft, vacuum advance, and fan spacer get the aluminum shinny paint. From your notes, you'll see what parts were gold cad, silver cad (a bluish tint on a silver part), etc. Refinish as you see fit. Don't forget the battery hold down bolts, which were the lighter gray. Then, you get to put it all back together!
Reassembly

Install the distributor if you removed it. Note - this will require tune-up/timing when finished. Use the Testor's Model paint and a small brush to make a timing mark. Install the fan, alternator, pulleys, and belts. Then add the radiator, shroud, hoses, thermostat, and sending units. Fill with coolant. Install the carburetor. Do all your tune-up & electrical next followed by vacuum and other hose routing. Put your vinyl dressing on before attaching the hoses. Add the battery, if not in already. If you bought a new repro, it came dry, and you'll need to add battery acid. You might want to set this up the night before. I painted the red letters on the top and side of the battery with red Testors model paint.

Detailing touches are next like decals, wax, and polish. Paint the body of the coil satin black, fit on the bracket, then apply the clear decal with gray writing. Paint the voltage regulator engine blue, then detail the metal bottom with EW Detail Gray paint or equivalent. Then apply the clear decal with yellow writing. Carefully apply air clear engine designation decals. Reinstall engine compartment braces.

Now you get to start it, tune-it and fool with it. Especially if you removed the distributor. Make sure your wires are correctly attached. I label each wire with masking tape and the cylinder #, then remove all wires from the spark plugs, leaving them attached to the distributor cap. I then match the new wires by length on the new cap, just like the old one. If the carb was properly set before, it should be properly set now; don't touch it.

Hope this helps. While I'm sure I missed something, this is the basic procedure. It resulted in 30 1st place finishes for my 70 Mach I in local shows, and four 2nd & 3rd place finishes at MCA, SAAC, and other national events. I've applied this methodology to about ten other cars I've worked on for friends. The results speak for themselves.

One trick for masking difficult items when they havn't bee removed is to use aluminum foil. It easily wraps around parts, wires etc. and stays in place without taping. Do rremove as much as possible

frost0100 said:

do you pull it with or without the tranny each time?

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usually yes, but i got lazy this time and left the tranny in the car, but i will pull the tranny and put it back in together.

I'm a beleiver in pulling the engine seperately, but everyone has his own preference. Also, welcome to the world of the out-of-control restoration job! When I started my fastback, it was going to be a quick clone job, freshen up the interior, repaint the stock motor and call it good. The problem with that is, you can't do a decent paint job without painting the jambs, then the engine bay looks crappy next to nicely painted fenders, you can't do a decent paint job on the engine bay with the wiring and brake lines still in the car, you have to remove the glass and interior to do a good job on a color change, and so it goes. Next thing I knew, my nice complete fastback was a stripped body shell!

zookeeper said:

I'm a beleiver in pulling the engine seperately, but everyone has his own preference. Also, welcome to the world of the out-of-control restoration job! When I started my fastback, it was going to be a quick clone job, freshen up the interior, repaint the stock motor and call it good. The problem with that is, you can't do a decent paint job without painting the jambs, then the engine bay looks crappy next to nicely painted fenders, you can't do a decent paint job on the engine bay with the wiring and brake lines still in the car, you have to remove the glass and interior to do a good job on a color change, and so it goes. Next thing I knew, my nice complete fastback was a stripped body shell!

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LOL! I know exactly what you mean...

My engine-bay project started out as a simple header install? Here's what that got me.

http://max348.rob.googlepages.com/home

If it would only warm up a little I could finish it. ( I need a garage )

suki243 said:

thanks for all the help guys,
When pulling out the engine, is it better to disconnect it from the tranny or pull that out as well?

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If you do pull the tranny with the engine, make sure you dran the tranny first, that will make the biggest mess as soon as you tilt the tail shaft down.

suki243 said:

So, if he is gonna already pull off the body from the chasis etc... might as well paint the engine as well, .

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there is no "frame off". If your painter is telling you it is, go somewhere else.

your going way too far on new wiring, powder coating etc. You gonna dump so much money in this car and NEVER get back.Just clean up the parts, spray paint what you can.Other wise we'll see this car being sold in a couple of years as a 50% completed project.I've seen it before, big plans........Im gonna do this and this etc. I have about $30k+ in mine in parts alone and just dumped another 2 grand last week and its nowhere near what my plans were....................yet.

Just think it through and see what you REALLY need to do and what you can afford.

Yeah, it's kinda hard to do a "frame-off" on a car with no frame. But, lots of people call total restorations that.

mine started off as a simple wngine swap over 10 years ago. i was just going to put the engine from great grandmother's old 73 galaxie 500 in my car to replace the blown engine i had just had a buddy build for me about 6,000 miles earlier, i was build my own engines and that reminded me why!!! well, the engine is really nasty so i decide to clean it up real good and the decide i should go ahead and pull it down and put ne gaskets and seals in it whiles it's out anyway, which of course led to a valve job, vatting the block, resizing the rods and turning the crank .010 to clean up some small grooves (probably could have just been polished but hey, it's only money right?) and that led to a new cam and lifters, all new accessories like hi-flo water pump, carter performance fuel pump, road demon carb, hedman shorty headers, starter, alternator, voltage regulator, coil, and all ancillary external pieces of the engine, new flexplate, balancer etc. all this meant i had to get the trans rebuilt to as that was a major cause of the engine blowing up (bad pump trashed the governor...KABOOM!!!!), then i had to get new u-joints and have the driveshaft from my old cougar balanced and shortened because the original for the stang was bent. oh, and the engine compartment was completely detailed during all of this as well and lot's of other new goodies went in like a new radiator, fan shroud, and fan clutch. then i started detailing the undercarriage, which still isn't quite finished actually, since i still have to get the front suspension rebuilt and then i'll be able to get that are detailed just right, i already have all the parts just the time and the weather to cooperate, i'll finish t detailing the rear suspension and rear axle at the same time. of course with all of the other work i'd done and was going to do to the car i couldn't very well leave it in black primer and drive it like that, now could i? so off it went to the body shop for paint and then came a new vinyl top, new windshield and that left the crummy mismatched interior to deal with so new carpet, new upholstery for the new high back seats and the rear seat, new deluxe door panels, dashpad, headliner, dash pieces. one of these day i'll actually get it done.