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Adieu · May 13, 2020

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Hell, I can have a custom-built 9" for my car shipped to my door and still have money left over for what they're charging to "rebuild" yours.

There's not an 8.8 in the world that can be so damaged it'd cost $2300 in parts and labor for a stock rebuild. Even at BMW dealership labor rates a diff rebuild for an 8.8 wouldn't be more than $700 or so in labor, and the parts would be all of a few hundred, there's almost no way an independent shop should be above $1000 for what is mostly bearing replacements and a fluid drain and fill.

Screw it, let's reach for the stars: https://lmr.com/item/LRS-4204SDK-G/...ine-Severe-Duty-Rear-Axle-Kit-4-Lug-373-Gears that with let's say... a 40% markup $1329.99. There we go, now the parts department has a fat profit margin too. So $2029.99 in parts and labor, AND I'm giving you upgrades, a BMW loaner car (we're talking 2020 5-series here), free coffee/snacks/wifi, AND beating these jackwagons by almost $200... do I get the job?

I think you'd have saved money taking it to a Ford dealership over those guys, and that's saying something. I work on BMWs for a living, I charge people astronomical amounts to fix things for them, and even I'm reading your post and thinking they're out of their damned minds and if you pay them a cent, you are too.

Rdub6 · May 13, 2020

Pretty sure it’s been beaten to death that he’s paying too much. Let’s hope he gets it back in running order, and eventually can do more with it. The horse has been dead and buried.... let’s move on!

Monkeybutt2000 · May 13, 2020

aztecgwynn said:
darkfader thks for offer. But even though it sucks i didnt have a choice or time to exercise options that differential shop gave me.
i dont have the tools, the lift to do work from my home. Now if i was in Ca where parents are now that is complete opposite tools, lift and help to steer me in right direction. Thks to everyone for help.

Soo, you actually paid this amount?

CarMichael Angelo · May 14, 2020

Monkeybutt2000 said:
Soo, you actually paid this amount?

Yeah he did..and for just a second....blamed the community for not telling him where to go instead.

General karthief · May 14, 2020

People are always telling me where to go

Boostedpimp · May 14, 2020

wow that shop just made a ton of profit

revhead347 · May 14, 2020

Boostedpimp said:
wow that shop just made a ton of profit

Not likely. They did it innefficiently.

Kurt

96pushrod · May 14, 2020

“The axle and carrier bearings have spun”

Well I sure as hope so. That’s what they do lol.

Was the differential run completely dry? That’s about the only way I’ve ever seen one get really all that messed up, and it still wasn’t no $2000+ in damage. Or remotely close

Boostedpimp · May 15, 2020

revhead347 said:
Not likely. They did it innefficiently.

Kurt

Do you honestly think this place didn't just replace the axle bearings and rebuilt tloc and took his money

Adieu · May 15, 2020

revhead347 said:
Not likely. They did it innefficiently.

Kurt

Nothing inefficient about it. The actual parts and labor cost didn't even surpass $500, and they charged him $2300. That's $1800 worth of gross profit in a single car for work that took 1-2 days at most, while probably simultaneously pumping other customers in the fart box at the same time.

96pushrod · May 15, 2020

74stang2togo said:
Nothing inefficient about it. The actual parts and labor cost didn't even surpass $500, and they charged him $2300. That's $1800 worth of gross profit in a single car for work that took 1-2 days at most, while probably simultaneously pumping other customers in the fart box at the same time.

I can pretty much guarantee the parts and labor were more than $500. $2300 is straight up robbery though.

Adieu · May 15, 2020

96pushrod said:
I can pretty much guarantee the parts and labor were more than $500. $2300 is straight up robbery though.

Depends on whether they had the f'n new guy do it or the grizzled old fart in the corner that doesn't talk to anybody.

revhead347 · May 16, 2020

74stang2togo said:
Nothing inefficient about it. The actual parts and labor cost didn't even surpass $500, and they charged him $2300. That's $1800 worth of gross profit in a single car for work that took 1-2 days at most, while probably simultaneously pumping other customers in the fart box at the same time.

It's more than that. You'd have to call and find out what a differential cost, but it's a pretty penny. Bearings are at least $150.

Kurt

revhead347 · May 16, 2020

Boostedpimp said:
Do you honestly think this place didn't just replace the axle bearings and rebuilt tloc and took his money

Repacking a traction lock is pita job. Then there's the liability in it. Do you want to do a repack job and hope the spider gears are ok? Or do you just offer a whole differential and be sure? Has your A-tech ever repacked a differential in his career? Believe it or not, it isn't a common job. I worked in a Firestone my whole way through college, and I don't think I ever saw a differential getting repacked. Time is money too. Is the clutch kit readily available? Do you order a clutch kit that takes 3 days to get there, or a diff that is 1 day out? How long do you want to tie up a lift for? Service is complicated, I've done it. I would never in good conscience offer someone that price for a bad diff on a $4k car, but I wouldn't put it past other service writers. If the service writer tells the customer it's going to be $2300, and the customer says yes, then the car is off the lift and out the door as fast as possible. All these jobs are done flat rate. If the book says that a diff replacement is 3.8 hours, then they apply that rate to their hourly rate, and that's the labor cost. Then they add a flat shop rate fee. The book might not even have a flat rate for repacking a locker. The high price likely came from poor choices on where to buy parts from, and the number of parts to replace, not an overt dishonesty. If the customer gets a brand new differential as quoted and listed, then that's not dishonest. If the shop re packs the differential with clutches, and charges for a new differential, then that would be dishonest. If the shop billed more than the 3.8 hours of labor, or charged more per hour than the standard rate, that would be dishonest.

Kurt

Adieu · May 16, 2020

revhead347 said:
It's more than that. You'd have to call and find out what a differential cost, but it's a pretty penny. Bearings are at least $150.

Kurt

Shops and dealerships don't pay retail for parts when they do buy from normal consumer sources, and they have wholesale sources for parts that don't sell to the DIY market that are even cheaper.

revhead347 · May 16, 2020

74stang2togo said:
Shops and dealerships don't pay retail for parts when they do buy from normal consumer sources, and they have wholesale sources for parts that don't sell to the DIY market that are even cheaper.

I have installed and sold parts in the past. It's way more complicated than that. Prices vary widely depending on who the wholesaler is, what the volume purchasing of the customer is, etc. I was an Adance Auto Parts manger after college (in the times of despair) doing $20k in commercial parts sales a week, and there are different price charts for each customer depending on how much money they spent with us. The standard markup is 40% for service writers. That's not price times 1.40, it's 40% of the service cost.

Kurt

Adieu · May 16, 2020

revhead347 said:
I have installed and sold parts in the past. It's way more complicated than that. Prices vary widely depending on who the wholesaler is, what the volume purchasing of the customer is, etc. I was an Adance Auto Parts manger after college (in the times of despair) doing $20k in commercial parts sales a week, and there are different price charts for each customer depending on how much money they spent with us. The standard markup is 40% for service writers. That's not price times 1.40, it's 40% of the service cost.

Kurt

I've been a dealership parts manager, dealership technician, chain shop technician, technician for an independent, service advisor for a dealership, parts counterperson for multiple dealerships, and commercial manager for two of the chains. I know all of this, from pretty much every angle.

Boostedpimp · May 18, 2020

revhead347 said:
Repacking a traction lock is pita job. Then there's the liability in it. Do you want to do a repack job and hope the spider gears are ok? Or do you just offer a whole differential and be sure? Has your A-tech ever repacked a differential in his career? Believe it or not, it isn't a common job. I worked in a Firestone my whole way through college, and I don't think I ever saw a differential getting repacked. Time is money too. Is the clutch kit readily available? Do you order a clutch kit that takes 3 days to get there, or a diff that is 1 day out? How long do you want to tie up a lift for? Service is complicated, I've done it. I would never in good conscience offer someone that price for a bad diff on a $4k car, but I wouldn't put it past other service writers. If the service writer tells the customer it's going to be $2300, and the customer says yes, then the car is off the lift and out the door as fast as possible. All these jobs are done flat rate. If the book says that a diff replacement is 3.8 hours, then they apply that rate to their hourly rate, and that's the labor cost. Then they add a flat shop rate fee. The book might not even have a flat rate for repacking a locker. The high price likely came from poor choices on where to buy parts from, and the number of parts to replace, not an overt dishonesty. If the customer gets a brand new differential as quoted and listed, then that's not dishonest. If the shop re packs the differential with clutches, and charges for a new differential, then that would be dishonest. If the shop billed more than the 3.8 hours of labor, or charged more per hour than the standard rate, that would be dishonest.

Kurt

lol I might have read your reply wrong but all I see was bringing a car to a tire shop for anything but tires isn't a standard repair resulting in a full replacement. at top rate right? Good thing the guy didn't say he had a leaking lower intake gasket or they would bill him for a full engine too just to be on the safe side

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Rdub6

So while I wait to figure out my rear end issues

Monkeybutt2000

Mustang Master

CarMichael Angelo

my rearend will smell so minty fresh,

General karthief

wonder how much it would cost to ship you a pair

Boostedpimp

revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

96pushrod

I think they're a little easier to get off

Boostedpimp

Adieu

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96pushrod

I think they're a little easier to get off

Adieu

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revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

Adieu

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revhead347

Apparently my ex-husband made that mistake.

Adieu

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