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I recently bought a 93 LX that had a white-faced gauge kit installed by the previous owner. The car appears to idle at <500rpm, the speedo is off by 10-15mph, & the Oil pressure is so high you can barely see the needle. The other gauges appear to be right, but considering how out of whack the above are I have little faith that they are very accurate either.

Is there a recalibration procedure for these? I realize they are not terribly accurate to begin with, but I would like them to be at least halfway realistic. I suspect that "recalibration" will simply involve putting a known resistance (and therefore current flow) through the gauge and positioning the needle to a known position. Does anyone have any details on this?

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The needles just pull off and push on. You have to be very gentle with them. I have installed several white face gauge overlays and the most critical part was making a sketch of where the needles sat with the key on engine off, and then putting the needles back on in the same position. It is a bit of trial and error but can be done that way. So KOEO the speedo and tach should sit at 0. Fuel gauge is a big question mark. Oil pressure and temp (if cold) should be at the bottom of the indicator. Hope that helps.
 
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Thank you! I'll give that a shot. I figure there had to have been a way that Ford (or their supplier) pre-calibrated these clusters before they hit the assembly line. My thought is this:


Since the Fox gauges don't really have true "min" and "max" mark or a needle stop, it would be tough to find true "0" for any of the gauges. What I'm considering is simulating the resistance for HALF the value of the gauge since that would be easy to line the needles up with.

For example - the fuel tank sender is 145 ohms full and 22.5 ohms empty. The midpoint would be ~83 ohms. If I put 83 ohms of resistance across the fuel level wiring and then stick the needle at the midpoint of travel, maybe that will get me halfway close?
 

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Thank you! I'll give that a shot. I figure there had to have been a way that Ford (or their supplier) pre-calibrated these clusters before they hit the assembly line. My thought is this:


Since the Fox gauges don't really have true "min" and "max" mark or a needle stop, it would be tough to find true "0" for any of the gauges. What I'm considering is simulating the resistance for HALF the value of the gauge since that would be easy to line the needles up with.

For example - the fuel tank sender is 145 ohms full and 22.5 ohms empty. The midpoint would be ~83 ohms. If I put 83 ohms of resistance across the fuel level wiring and then stick the needle at the midpoint of travel, maybe that will get me halfway close?
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That's the trick I use when troubleshooing the fuel gauge, and it should work well.


Fuel Quantity gauge troubleshooting 87-93 Mustangs



The red/yellow wire (power supply to gauge & sender) should have 12 volts when the ignition is in the start or Run position.

Troubleshooting the gauge and sender circuit:
Since the sender uses a variable resistor, sum the resistor values of 22 Ohms (empty value) & 145 Ohms (full value). That gets you 167, which you divide by 2: that gets you 83.5. So in theory, 83.5 ohms is 1/2 full. A trip to Radio Shack for the closest combination of resistors to make 83.5 ohms gets you one 68 Ohm (Catalog #: 271-1106) + one 15 Ohm (Catalog #: 271-1102) for a total of 83 Ohms at the cost of $2 plus tax. Wire the resistors in series to make a resistor pack and cover it with heat shrink tubing or electrical tape. The 83 Ohms is close enough to the 83.5 Ohm figure that it shouldn't matter. Disconnect the electrical connector shown in your for the tank sender unit. Connect one end of the resistor pack to the yellow/white wire on the body side fuel sender electrical connector and the other end of the resistor pack to ground. Make sure nothing is touching that isn't supposed to and turn the ignition switch to Run. If I am correct, the fuel gauge will read 1/2 full, or very close to it. If it does not, then the odds are that the gauge or anti-slosh unit are bad.

How and why the test works…
Most of the fuel gauge failures give a stuck on full or stuck on empty as a problem symptom. Using a resistor combination that mimics 1/2 tank allows you to decide if the gauge and anti-slosh module are the problem source.

If the gauge reads about 1/2 tank with the resistor combination, that points to the sender as being the culprit.

If the gauge reads full or empty with the resistor pack in place of the sender, then the gauge or anti-slosh module is at fault.

Fuel gauge sender testing and replacement
The next steps require dropping the fuel tank and removal of the fuel level sender. Here are some useful tips...

I have done the tank removal three times, and the main issues are getting the car up on jack stands and getting the gas out of the tank. DO NOT try to do this job without jack stands. Becoming a pancake is not part of the repair process.

Pumping out the old gas:
If the old pump still works, you can use it to pump the tank out.
1.) Separate the pressure line (the one with the Schrader valve on it) using the fuel line tools.
Look in the A/C repair section for the fuel line tools. They look like little plastic top hats. You will need the 1/2" & 5/8" ones. The hat shaped section goes on facing the large part of the coupling. Then you press hard on the brim until it forces the sleeve into the coupling and releases the spring. You may need someone to pull on the line while you press on the coupling.


Use a piece of garden hose to run from the pressure line to your bucket or gas can. Make sure it is as leak proof as you can make it. Fire and explosion are not part of the repair process...

2.) Jumper the fuel pump test point to ground.



Turn the ignition switch to the Run position. the fuel pump will pump the tank almost dry unless the battery runs down first.

Some 5 gallon paint pails lined with garbage bags are good to hold the gas. The garbage bags provide a clean liner for the pails and keep the loose trash out of the gas so you can reuse it. If you decide to use a siphon, a piece of 1/2" garden hose stuck down the filler neck will siphon all but a gallon or so of the gas.

Remove the filler neck bolts and put them in a zip bag. Disconnect the supply & return lines by removing the plastic clips from the metal tubing. If you damage the clips, you can get new ones form the auto part store for just a few dollars. I have used tie-wraps, but that is not the best choice. Then you remove the two 9/16" nuts that hold the T bolts to the straps. Put the nuts in the zip bag with the filler bolts. Pull the plastic shield down and away from the tank. Once the tank drops a little bit you can disconnect the wiring for the pump & fuel quantity sender.

The fuel gauge sender assembly comes out by removing a large metal ring that unscrews from the tank. There is a separate mounting/access plate for the fuel pump and fuel gage. You are supposed to use a brass punch to tap on the ring so that you don't make sparks. Look closely at the rubber O ring gasket when you remove the fuel gauge sender.
When you install the metal ring that holds the sender in place, watch out for the gasket O ring. Some RTV may be helpful if the ring is not in excellent condition.

The tank to filler pipe seal is a large rubber grommet. Inspect it for hardening, tears and damage. At $20 from the Ford dealer, it might be a good idea to replace it.

I used a floor jack to help lift the tank back in place. You may find that it is the only time you really can make good use of a helper.

All resistance measurements should be made with the power off.

Note from bstrd86 - 86 and older fuel tank sender units are 73 ohms empty, 8-12 ohms full.


The yellow/white wire will show a voltage that varies with the movement of the float on the sender unit. To test the sender, set your Ohmmeter or DVM on low Ohms. Then disconnect the sender and connect the Ohmmeter or DVM to the yellow/white and black wires from the sender unit. Move the float arm while watching the Ohmmeter or DVM. You should see the reading change from 22 to 145 ohms +/- 10%.

If the Ohmmeter or DVM resistance readings are way off, replace the tank sender unit.

Use extreme caution if you do the next step. Fumes from the gas tank can easily ignite and cause a fire or explosion.
With the sender unit out of the tank and connected to the body wiring harness, turn the ignition switch to the Run position. Move the float arm and the fuel gauge indicator should move. If you are very careful, you can use a pair of safety pins inserted in the connector for the yellow/white and black wires to measure the voltage as you move the float arm. The voltage will change, but I have no specs for what it should be.
Do not short the safety pins together or to ground. If you do, you may damage the anti-slosh module or crate a spark. A spark with the fuel tank open could cause a fire or an explosion.

If the voltage does not change and the tanks sender passed the resistance tests, the anti-slosh module or gauge is bad.

Anti-Slosh module pictures courtesy of Saleen0679



Copied from DrBob

I worked on an 88 Mustang today that had similar symptoms. Short version, I took the “anti slosh module” off of the back of the instrument cluster and replaced the electrolytic capacitor. Fixed it for $1.39 with a part from Radio Shack.

In an attempt to help other folks, here’s the long version.
Remove the “anti slosh module” located on the back of the instrument cluster. There was a single Torx screw holding mine to the cluster.

Find the electrolytic capacitor. It will be the largest, 2 wire component on the board. The capacitor may have a red or blue plastic wrapper on it. Mine was red.

The wrapper should have printing on it. Look for printing that looks something like this:
100uF+25V

The “100uF” tells you this is a 100 micro Farad capacitor. The “+25V” tells you the capacitor is rated for 25 Volts. Yours may be different. You may use a higher voltage part but don't use a lower rated voltage part. If you use a lower voltage part the capacitor might open later on down the road or it could be as bad as catching fire.

If you can’t find the printing you’ll need to remove the part. You have to anyway so nothing wasted. However pay close attention to the way the capacitor is oriented on the board.

One end of the capacitor will be bare metal with a wire sticking out. The other end should have some sort of insulation over it with a wire sticking out. The bare metal end is the negative end while the insulated end is the positive end. Pay attention to which end is connected to which hole on the board.

Get a replacement part. I got mine at Radio Shack, $1.39. Here’s the info:
100µF 35V 20% Axial-Lead Electrolytic Capacitor
Model: 272-1016 | Catalog #: 272-1016

Fuel tank sender unit:
http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/products/Mustang-Gas-And-Fuel-Tank-Sending-Unit

Be sure to get the lock ring and a new seal if you order the tank sender unit.
http://www.latemodelrestoration.com...ng-Fuel-Pump-Sending-Unit-Lock-Ring-And-Seal\
 

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Or you could run the tank dry, fill tank halfway and then put needle at halfway.
 

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Bullitt347 said:
Or you could run the tank dry, fill tank halfway and then put needle at halfway.
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Compare the cost of 7.6 gallons of gas (1/2 of 15.2 gallons) against the cost of $2.00 worth of resistors from Radio Shack. No matter how cheap gas is were you are, it still comes out cheaper spending the $2.00 at Radio Shack to do the job. On top of that, it eliminates any error introduced by the sender being out of calibration..
 
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Picked up a 25 ohm potentiometer and a handful of 33 and 100 ohm bias resistors. This should allow me to simulate the 22/145 resistance of the fuel level sender, as well as the 10/74 resistance of the oil pressure and temp senders.

I did read something on a Classic Mustang forum that leads me to believe that the operation of the gauges hasn't changed since the 60s. Ford apparently used the same 10/74 resistance spread for many years. One thread referenced the fact that the gauges aren't linear to resistance, but rather to wattage. If he's correct, it would mean that the midpoint of the fuel level isn't 83.5 ohms, it's .642 watts, which is 39 ohms. I'll play with it and see if there's any truth to it.

Thanks for all the feedback. I'll be sure to post up my results in case anyone else is interested.
 

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Compare the cost of 7.6 gallons of gas (1/2 of 15.2 gallons) against the cost of $2.00 worth of resistors from Radio Shack. No matter how cheap gas is were you are, it still comes out cheaper spending the $2.00 at Radio Shack to do the job. On top of that, it eliminates any error introduced by the sender being out of calibration..
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Well I figure the guy is going to putting gas in the tank at some point so as to drive the car right? So where is the extra cost? What is the point of fixing the gauge if he is never going to put fuel in the tank?
 
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Just had a few minutes to play with it tonight and it looks like this may work out ok. I started with the Temp Sender and simulated the 74 ohm (Cold) and 10 ohm (Hot) reference values. Here's how the gauge reacted:





The Hot should land exactly on the red mark, and the Cold on the first mark. So, it looks like the needle is roughly one division too high. I'll adjust it down and see how consistent it is... Hope to have a chance to work on it more tomorrow.

These pics also show the resting position for the tach. Every picture I've dug up on Google of a Fox cluster shows the needle sitting on the 0. I'll just eyeball it and put it on the 0 and see how that works.

Thanks again for the feedback
 

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You are correct, the tach needle rests on 0 when the engine is off. I have the calibration routine if you have a burning desire to calibrate the tach.

I am very interested in your fuel gauge results. The anti slosh module is also supposed to be an instrument voltage regulator, but since I don't have an actual diagram of it, I can't verify that fact. If it does change the voltage used by the fuel gauge that would explain the different resistor values for a 1/2 tank reading.
 
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Was able to correct everything except the speedo today. The two reference value method worked well, although the gauges aren't as precise as I'd like them to be. I guess that's not a huge surprise. This is an 81K original mile car and I like a nice, clean, stock-looking interior so aftermarket gauges are out of the question. These will have to do...

The speedo I need to investigate further - I'm not convinced that it has the correct speedo gear in it so I'm not quite ready to start tweaking the gauge itself. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

The fuel gauge read exactly 1/2-tank with 83.5 ohms resistance, so the whole wattage theory didn't hold water - at least with the fuel gauge. The Oil Pressure and Water temp are the more traditional 10/75 ohm Ford spread so perhaps that's how they work? I didn't get a chance to try it out today, but I hope to tomorrow.

If you wouldn't mind sharing the tach calibration procedure, I'd be very interested to see it. Thanks again for all the help!
 
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He's the one on the right, twylight.

 

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I do not have a write up since it requires a 12 volt power supply, signal generator, and frequency counter or oscilloscope. That's equipment that most people don't have access to.

If you read all of http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-for...brate-a-stock-fox-tach-to-be-accurate.805785/ you'll get the idea of how to do it. Don't waste time downloading any software to substitute for the signal generator. The software method mentioned in the post does not work: I tried it. If you are good with electronics, you could build a single chip audio frequency amplifier to boost the sound card output to a level sufficient to drive the tach's circuitry.
 
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I actually do have access to a signal generator and a Fluke digital oscope. Thanks for the info...I'll look into it the next time I have the dash apart!
 

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NORTH Hollywood Speedometer was the only place I could find in the past that recalibrated units, they use to do all the 200mph units for Saleen.
 
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rick you are a damn life saver! i have a set of the 200mph gauges but they are WAY off

just googled them... you sure its west hollywood and not north hollywood?
 

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its north been quite a few years, I have a real Saleen cluster in my car.
 

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any idea what they go for? i had thought about selling mine before if they go for enough
 

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I find most guys dont care they are Saleen and buy MAC or any ot the other white faced faces... They were pricey back in the day however...
 
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