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Fuel pump help , working on friends car right now!

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Ok so the pump is getting 6-7 volts with the key in the on position (prime) but it won't prime. It did this to him yesterday but he dissconnected the battery for a few hours and then reconnected it and it worked.

Replaced so far--Fuel pump relay


Any ideas or anyone know if thats enough voltage at the pump to prime it
 

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stupid question I guess.. but did you bother to just reset the fuel pump via button in the trunk/hatch?
 
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Well he checked it yesterday and it didn't seem to be "tripped" but i'll go check it again and see if that makes any difference.
 
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Inertia switch looks good, it's got 6.98 volts going through it and removing the switch and jumpering the wires made no difference.
 
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You should be getting 12v's to the pump. what year vehicle is this?
 
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brothergoat5 said:
You should be getting 12v's to the pump. what year vehicle is this?
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92
 

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Fuel Pump Troubleshooting for 91-93 Mustangs

Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on.
It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running,
find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to
ground.

If the fuse links are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure –
remove the cap from the Schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the
core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be
used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.


No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch
cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the
voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch

B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built
before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.

C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect
for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power
path.

The control path consists of the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns
the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red
wire) from the ECC relay goes to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the
computer (light blue\orange wire). The computer provides the ground path to
complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the
contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the
right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the
relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like
fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness.
The feed wire from the fuse link (pink/black wire) goes to the fuel pump relay
contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows
through the pink/black wire to the contacts and through the dark green\yellow
wire to the inertia switch. The other side of the inertia switch with the
brown\pink wire joins the pink/black wire that connects to the fuel pump. The fuel
pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source any power to actuators, relays
or injectors, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That
means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to
ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.



diagram of the wiring for 91-93 cars.

Power circuits:
Power feed: Look for 12 volts at the pink/black wire (power source for fuel pump relay).
No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring, or connections. Remember that on 92
or later models the fuel pump relay is located under the Mass Air meter. Watch out for the
WOT A/C control relay on these cars, as it is located in the same place and can easily be
mistaken for the fuel pump relay.

Relay: Turn on the key and jumper the ECC test connector as previously described. Look
for 12 volts at the dark green\yellow wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No
voltage there means that the relay has failed, or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.

Inertia switch: Check the brown/pink wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either
the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there
should be power on the dark green\yellow (inertia switch input) and brown/pink wire
(inertia switch output). Power on the dark green\yellow wire and not on the brown/pink wire
means the inertia switch is open. Press on the red plunger to reset it to the closed position.
Sometimes the inertia switch will be intermittent or will not pass full power. Be sure that
there is 12 volts on both sides of the switch with the pump running and that the voltage drop
measured across the switch is less than .75 volts.

Control circuits:

Relay: The red wire for the fuel pump relay coil gets its power feed from the ECC relay.
No 12 volts here, and the ECC relay has failed or there is bad wiring or bad connections
coming from it. The ECC relay is located on top of the computer, which is under the passenger’s
side kick panel. It is not easy to get to, you must have small hands or pull the passenger side
dash speaker out to access it.

Relay: The light blue/orange wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test
connector jumpered according to the previous instructions, there should be less than .75 volts.
Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the light blue/orange
wire on the fuel pump relay. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken
wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the
computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector.
It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector.
With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow.
No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.

Computer: If you got this far and everything else checked out good, the computer is suspect .
Remove the test jumper from the ECC test connector located under the hood . Remove the
plastic cover over the computer wiring, but leave the computer wiring connector plugged
into the computer. With the ignition switch in the run position, connect a test lamp to the
battery and back probe pin 22, the light blue/orange wire with it. The lamp should glow
brightly. No glow and the computer has died a sad death. If you used a voltmeter instead
of a test lamp, you should see battery voltage, whatever that may be…

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

Fuel pump runs continuously: The light blue/orange wire has shorted to ground. Disconnect
the computer and use an ohmmeter to check out the resistance between the light blue/orange
wire and ground. You should see more than 10 K Ohms (10,000 ohms) or an infinite open
circuit. Be sure that the test connector isn’t jumpered to ground.
 
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Ok just got home from working on it.

After checking all kinds of **** on it.....The problem was a connector back by the gas tank, that connects the wires from inside to the wires under the car that go to the fuel pump and the sender. The connector would make contact and then if you moved it it wouldn't make contact. I'll post a pic of the connector next week when my wife gets back from vacation with the digi cam.

Cut out the connector and soldered/heatshrinked the wires and bam! After hours of searching .



fwiw---The fuel pump gets 12v only for a few seconds while priming, after that it gets 6.8v . I didn't check the voltage with the car running but i'm sure it would be between 6.8 and 12-14 volts.


Thanks for the write up JRichker! At least now i know everything else on the fuel system wiring is good I checked fuse links ,relays , switchs etc etc , It's always the little things.
 

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The trick is to jumper the test connector and then you get a constant On signal anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position. That makes troubleshooting simpler.
 
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jrichker said:
The trick is to jumper the test connector and then you get a constant On signal anytime the ignition switch is in the Run position. That makes troubleshooting simpler.
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Ha your right that would have , because then i wouldn't have spent hours trying to figure out where we lost half the voltage lol.
 
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