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Potomus Pete

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I would have it towed to a shop, but I am going to have to go to ten shops to get somebody to touch it
 

gkomo

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So with the car off does it do the same symptoms as when the car is on?
 
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nickyb

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Pete,how hard is it to push the clutch in? Is it the same as before?
Try rolling the car back and forward while putting it in gear.
 
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I have the new clutch cable down hard right now. My bearing retainer sleeve had a two inch light grease mark where it had been in motion.
 

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But no grooves?
 

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Noobz347 said:
But no grooves?
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Its smooth with a thin band from a spinning throwout. . I am going to do it again, but wondering if the disk is backward. Brand new clutch. Pressure plate. cable. fork, everything.
 

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I don't think it would fit together or operate if the disk were on backwards.
 
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Here you go Pete, if you've not found it already. Maybe this will help.

jrichker said:
Cable tension problems are marked by difficulty in getting the transmission into gear from a full stop into first or reverse. If that is not your problem, the transmission is the culprit.

Clutch Adjustment for stock and aftermarket setups
Revised 28-Apr-2016 to include need for longer cable with single hook quadrant

Clutch adjustment with stock cable and quadrant
There is a self-adjusting mechanism for the clutch cable. As the clutch wears the cable tension changes, that is why there is a self-adjusting mechanism built into the clutch pedal. On the clutch pedal there is a toothed plastic quadrant with a ratchet pawl that engages the quadrant. As you pull up on the clutch pedal, it ratchets and takes any slack out of the clutch cable. Mess around with the pedal or even bump it while the end that fits in the clutch fork is loose, and it tries to take up the slack in the cable. That has the effect of shortening the cable.

Do the clutch adjustment first before considering any other problems. With the stock plastic quadrant and cable, pull up on the clutch pedal until it comes upward toward you. It will make a ratcheting sound as the self-adjuster works. To release to tension of the stock quadrant, use a screwdriver to lift the ratchet paw up and out of engagement with the quadrant teeth.

You can use a screwdriver to lift the ratchet pawl off the quadrant teeth. That will allow you to move the quadrant to allow more slack in the cable. If the cable is too loose, pull up on the pedal. The ratchet pawl will allow the quadrant to take up the slack in the cable and lock the adjustment.

The following applies to aftermarket clutch cables and quadrants.
Adjustable cables are used when the plastic quadrant is replaced with an aftermarket metal quadrant. The downside to this setup is that you have to get under the car to adjust the clutch. Add a firewall adjuster to an adjustable cable setup and you can spare yourself from getting back under the car to make any fine adjustment that you desire.

The fancy 2 and 3 hook quadrants are for use with stock length cable and a firewall adjuster. Use the firewall adjuster and screw in and out to take the slack out of the cable and get the clutch engagement point just where you want it.

Binding clutch cable
A binding clutch cable will make the clutch very stiff. If the cable is misrouted or has gotten too close to the exhaust, it will definitely bind. The binding common to adjustable cables is often due to misplacement of the adjusting nuts on the fork end of the cable. This will also cause the cable to wear and fray. Both nuts should be on the back side of the fork so that the domed nut faces the fork and the other nut serves as jam or locknut to the domed nut.

Clutch pedal adjustment
Clutch pedal adjustment with aftermarket quadrant and cable: I like to have the clutch completely disengaged and still have about 1.5” travel left before the pedal hits the floor. This means that I have only about 1” of free play at the top before the pedal starts to disengage the clutch. Keep in mind that these figures are all approximate. When properly adjusted, there will not be any slack in the clutch cable. You will have 4-15 lbs. preload on the clutch cable. With a non-adjustable cable and a firewall adjuster, the cable needs to go in the second hook of the quadrant. Single hook quadrants used with a firewall adjuster may make the clutch too tight, causing it to slip. The possible exception to this is the Maximum Motorsports cable which is a bit longer to make it work with a single hook quadrant.

Adjustable clutch cable tips:
Loosening the cable adjustment nut (throwout bearing arm moves to the rear of the car) moves the disengagement point towards the floor.

Tightening the cable adjustment nut (throwout bearing arm moves to the front of the car) moves the disengagement point towards the top of the pedal.

Firewall adjuster tips
Turning the firewall adjuster IN makes the engagement point closer to the floor since it loosens the cable. You have to push the pedal to the floor to disengage the clutch. Too loose a cable and the clutch won't completely disengage and shifting will be difficult. Gears will grind and you may have difficulty getting the transmission in first gear when stopped.

Turning the firewall adjuster OUT makes the engagement point farther from the floor since it tightens the cable. You push a short distance to disengage the clutch. Too tight a cable will cause clutch slippage.

Aftermarket solutions to the problem:
The quadrant needs to be replaced if you use any type of aftermarket cable or adjuster. My preference is a Ford Racing quadrant, adjustable cable and Steeda firewall adjuster. The adjustable Ford Racing cable is just as good as the stock OEM cable. It allows a greater range of adjustment than a stock cable with a aftermarket quadrant and firewall adjuster. Combined with the Steeda adjuster, it lets you set the initial cable preload and then fine tune the clutch engagement point to your liking without getting under the car.

Using a stock OEM cable, firewall adjuster and a single hook quadrant may result in not having any free pedal travel before the clutch starts to disengage. I found this out the hard way.

See Summit Racing - High Performance Car and Truck Parts l 800-230-3030 for the following parts.

Ford Racing M-7553-B302 - Ford Racing V-8 Mustang Adjustable Clutch Linkage Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com Cable and quadrant assembly $90


The Ford Racing Adjustable cable is available as a separate part:
Clutch Cable, Adjustable, Ford, Mercury, 5.0L, Kit
[url=http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SDA-555-7021/]Steeda Autosports 555-7021 - Steeda Autosports Firewall Cable Adjusters - Overview - SummitRacing.com Steeda firewall adjuster. $40



Fix for the quadrant end of the cable popping out of the quadrant when installing a replacement cable courtesy of Grabbin' Asphalt




Help for those who have replaced the clutch assembly and are still having problems with adjustment:
The next step doesn't make much sense it you already have the transmission installed, but just for sake of discussion, here it is:
The throwout bearing sits in the clutch fork arm with the wave springs pressing on the rear flange of the throwout bearing.

Major differences between the distance between the flywheel surface and the clutch fingers may require tinkering with the clutch fork pivot ball. Stack your old pressure plate, clutch disc and flywheel up like they were when installed in the car. Tighten down all the pressure plate bolts and measure the distance between the clutch fingertips and the flywheel face.
Too much thickness will cause the clutch fork arm to sit too far back to get the clutch cable on the quadrant. It may even sit against the rear or the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm. In that case, reduce the pivot ball height.
Too little thickness will cause the clutch fork arm to sit too far forward and bottom out against the front side of the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm.. This will prevent the clutch from fully disengaging.
In other words, the clutch fork arm should sit positioned midway or a little towards the rear in the bell housing hole for the clutch fork arm when the cable is properly tensioned.
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Potomus Pete

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Makes sense with the Pivot Ball needing to be adjusted. Im going to try to look it up more. The marks on the sleeve mean movement of the throw out bearing. So far this pivot has worked perfect with two other clutches. It would have to be a big adjustment. I never hear about anybody adjusting the pivot.
 

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Pete can you have someone push the clutch in all the way and you go under and see if the fork moved all the way ? Maybe just a cable adjustment.
 

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Adjustable quadrant? I usually put em in since the factory plastic is pretty old anyways. Some people are scared cause you have to adjust em, BUT they arent bad. Clutch OUT OF ADJUSTMENT and no shifty for you.

Adjustment usually takes less than hour, AND can be done by yourself.

And Im confused on the Pivot ball adjustment. HOW SO??

+1 On the NEVER heard of adjusting the ball.
 
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AeroCoupe

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You can shim the pivot ball but a person really needs to understand the geometry to do this.
 
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If it was that easy to figure out I would have the trans out again now. The same pivot for two clutches. I would think all street/oem clutches are very close. The pivot would need to go up or down a half to three quarters to get close. That's quite a bit on the screw. LILCBRAs report does make sense that the pivot is the last piece of my puzzle. I am really freaking out on bringing it somewhere. The Transmission shops where I live are always super busy and I think they like the money of new cars
 

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Pete, forget the pivot concentrate on the adjustment.
 
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Before you get all greasy yank'n it all apart, try a couple things that may help point to the problem area, this is what I would do, some things you may have already done but bare with me, I understand this is a 'same results with new/different parts'.
Engine off, trans in gear, will the car roll when pushing it?
engine off, trans in gear, clutch peddle pushed in (as far as it will go) can you roll the car?
get under the car (safely of course) can you move the clutch fork up and down, a very small amount of up/down movement is normal but it's only a very minute amount. If it has a lot of movement, shine a light inside (as best you can) the opening, is the fork moving up and down on the throw out bearing or has the fork dislocated from the pivot ball.
This take a second person, while safely under car have someone (choose carefully) push the clutch peddle down slowly as you watch the fork travel, the cable end of the clutch fork should travel a good ways, you can scribe a mark on the bell housing where it starts and stops to give a reference.
While doing these tests also listen for things clashing, these parts should operate smooth with no lumps, bumps, burps or farts.
I think you cannot install a clutch plate backwards on these SBF. The hub with the springs will jamb against the flywheel bolts. I could be wrong.
Unhook the cable at the fork, does the fork move the same distance by comparing to marks made earlier?
Hope this helps or at least delays the disassembly.
 
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Wut those guyz sed
 

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I will do these things. My neighbor is a plumber, and he has the video with light that's like a snake. I hate to ask him
 

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Potomus Pete said:
I will do these things. My neighbor is a plumber, and he has the video with light that's like a snake. I hate to ask him
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I would too, no telling where that cameras been.
 
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Pete, you said it feels like it's hitting a wall. If you have a firewall adjuster, you might be running into something I did. Mine in Black Jack can screw so far into the firewall that the quadrant hits it. That limits the pedal's range and it feels like it's hitting a wall. To fix, I just had to back the firewall adjuster out & make up the difference with the adjustment screw & lock nut on the other end of the Steeda Cable.

The other thing that can happen if you're running a trans with a 7 o'clock clutch fork, is that the clutch fork can hit longtubes. I doubt that's what you have, but just thought I'd throw it out there. I think your problem is not in the bellhousing.
 
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I have to go visit my mother in Massachusetts next week for a needed visit so it may be a while. I will fix this car soon. My motor sounds great and we all know our cars are so cool. I had ten years of oil all over the clutches so its been a long time since I could feel the power from a stop. I put a sleeve on my crank and so far not a drop of oil on the floor. I'm very exited for my cars future
 
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