H Pattern Is A Thing Of The Past?

[Ryuk]

I rented a BMW X3 earlier this summer that kept trying to turn off at every stop sign unless I put it in Sport mode. I can't imagine driving it otherwise because it was just too annoying to push the gas to get out in traffic and have that split second of, "Oh crap, I'm not going to make it", because the car took a second to start the engine.

And it always reset to that mode on startup.

 

[Mustang5L5]

I had a Benz loaner with the auto stop/start feature for a few days. I spent that time trying to "beat" the feature and get on the gas before the engine could start. It aleats started faster than I could get on the gas, but I did wonder about putting my trust in it when trying to pull into traffic and hoping the car doesn't stumble on startup.

 

[CarMichael Angelo]

I rented a BMW X3 earlier this summer that kept trying to turn off at every stop sign unless I put it in Sport mode. I can't imagine driving it otherwise because it was just too annoying to push the gas to get out in traffic and have that split second of, "Oh crap, I'm not going to make it", because the car took a second to start the engine.

And it always reset to that mode on startup.

In a BMW after the engine shuts off, you cannot get your foot off the brake pedal and onto the gas pedal quicker than the restart process..In other words, by the time your foot is on the gas, the engine is running. There is no start up lag.
There was a button next to the start/stop button that would've disabled that....once that button was pushed, ( light illuminated) it doesn't shut off at intersections, or stop signs anymore.

And it's another thing people are gonna just have to suck up, and get used to, because it's a federal mandate in all new cars from 2018 on......Auto stop/start is proven to save gas and reduce emissions based on its usage in Europe. It'll be enforced here in the US as well.

 

[Mustang5L5]

And it's another thing people are gonna just have to suck up, and get used to, because it's a federal mandate in all new cars from 2018 on......Auto stop/start is proven to save gas and reduce emissions based on its usage in Europe. It'll be enforced here in the US as well.

There are ways to permanently disable it. On Fords you can use Forscan to go into the programming and change a few bits to permanently disable the feature. I realize there is also a button to do so on the dash.

I'm not a fan of it. If my next Ford has it I will definitely be programming it out

 

[Steel1]

I'm all for technology but too many nanny controls give me pause, all great till something malfunctions, safety advances excluded.
Obviously a lot of these changes are driven by goverment mandated fuel economy regulations.
I would guess some day in the not too distant future you won't even need to know how to drive, just sit back speak your destination and away you go.
Oh and my flip phone was bullet proof, never had an issue...lol

 

[Bullitt347]

I have never had an occurrence where the engine shut off at the "wrong" time. At worst I will turn the feature off when the traffic is just creeping along where you start moving again just as the vehicle comes to a stop. Otherwise a brilliant application of the technology. Very smooth and non intrusive. I have tried to move my right foot from the brake pedal to the gas pedal and press on the gas before the engine can start and have yet to do it. It starts that fast.

 

[Mustang5L5]

I would guess some day in the not too distant future you won't even need to know how to drive, just sit back speak your destination and away you go.

I actually can't wait for that day. I spend 1hr each way commuting to work. I can't wait for the day I can summon an automated car to pick me up and drop me off.

I don't know how your automate or drive an electric car into, say, the backwoods of Maine to camp/hunt for a week. I don't see manually driven cars fading any time soon.

I just wonder how you get automated abs manually driven cars to coexist on the highway together?

 

[jrichker]

Somehow,..an older human brain becomes cloudy, dim witted, slow moving, and stubborn when you mention the words Bluetooth, and smart phone.

Speak for your self, O' Ossified One...
I am 71 years old and I fix computers for a living. Every 18 months half of my computer knowledge becomes obsolete because of market changes and technology advances. On top of that, I have a second career in Christian ministry that started in 2008. By the grace of God, I will keep going and expanding the work and word He has given me in Christian Ministry. I write 3000-4000 words a week for original sermons and Bible study as part of that ministry.

Your brain may slow down and suffer, but by the Grace of God, mine will remain nimble and healthy.

@Bullitt347
2 HP/CU IN was only attainable in the aircraft arena, 50 or so years ago. The Stop/Start feature you mention I have no clue about. Care to help me there? imp

I worked on piston engine aircraft for 12 years, 8 for the US Air Force and 4 years civilian general aviation. None of those piston engines even made 1 HP per cubic much less 2 HP per cubic inch. If you can show me a production engine that did make 2 HP per cubic inch, I'll burn my FAA Airframe & Powerplant license and send you the ashes.

 

[General karthief]

, I'll burn my FAA Airframe & Powerplant license and send you the ashes

Your knowledge is so valuable a computer someplace would sence the temperature change on your cards and automatically send out new ones.

 

[Adieu]

I actually can't wait for that day. I spend 1hr each way commuting to work. I can't wait for the day I can summon an automated car to pick me up and drop me off.

I don't know how your automate or drive an electric car into, say, the backwoods of Maine to camp/hunt for a week. I don't see manually driven cars fading any time soon.

I just wonder how you get automated abs manually driven cars to coexist on the highway together?

I have mixed feelings on self driving cars.

Not gonna lie though, as a novelty, being able to set up a 2017 Accord to drive itself down Lamar in Austin (though it kept insisting I should put my hands on the wheel via a message on the dash) was kind of cool... But when Google wants to have no human controls in their self-driving cars while their GPS can't find my property in Eddy, Texas (which has a proper street address and the road runs right to it), and has tried to send me over a bridge on State Highway 7 that isn't there anymore... Hell no!

 

[cleanLX]

Is the H pattern dead? Well, the entire "true" manual is on it's way out, so, yes, H will go with it.
I don't see that shifter being a bonus outside of fully race oriented clutchless no-lift-to-shift transmission anyways, and that arena is plenty competitive as it is.
If I've got $2500 for a shifter, I've already got the trans this needs to fit, and that trans doesn't need this shifter.
Outside of being a novelty... I don't get it.

Start stop, I don't have a vehicle with start stop, but like the idea of it, and, typically I'm not at all comfortable with change.

 

[cleanLX]

I have mixed feelings on self driving cars.
Not gonna lie though, as a novelty, being able to set up a 2017 Accord to drive itself down Lamar in Austin (though it kept insisting I should put my hands on the wheel via a message on the dash) was kind of cool... But when Google wants to have no human controls in their self-driving cars while their GPS can't find my property in Eddy, Texas (which has a proper street address and the road runs right to it), and has tried to send me over a bridge on State Highway 7 that isn't there anymore... Hell no!

I too have mixed feelings.
Never even thought about what you just stated, but, um, yep, I'll add that the to negative side.
I see see that in big city centers it could very much help with congestion, it would take "rubber-neckers" out of the equation, should help with those who drive with sleep deprivation, and/or intoxicated...
So, guess we will not need insurance on these vehicles either right? I mean, I'm not driving, so, hell if I'm carrying the insurance.
And any time we squash banks and insurance companies I'm happy.

 

[imp]

@jrichker "I worked on piston engine aircraft for 12 years, 8 for the US Air Force and 4 years civilian general aviation. None of those piston engines even made 1 HP per cubic much less 2 HP per cubic inch. If you can show me a production engine that did make 2 HP per cubic inch, I'll burn my FAA Airframe & Powerplant license and send you the ashes."

My, my, why so antagonistic? I distinctly remember reading of airplane engines long ago producing one to two HP/cu in., but have no idea at this point in time what type they were, their origin, or anything else about the article, nor the interest in "one-upping" you in any way. Plus, I would get nothing as far as satisfaction goes from receiving those ashes. imp

 

[imp]

@jrichker
Well, you whetted my interest. I just found this:
Wright R-3350 Duplex-Cyclone
Displacement: 3,347.9 in3 (54.86 L)
R-3350-32W : 3,700 shp (2,760 kW)

Comes to 1.1 HP/Cu In. I suppose the source is wrong though, yes? So, I simply admit I was wrong; no 2 HP per Cu. In. imp

 

[Noobz347]

My, my, why so antagonistic? I distinctly remember reading of airplane engines long ago producing one to two HP/cu in., but have no idea at this point in time what type they were, their origin, or anything else about the article, nor the interest in "one-upping" you in any way. Plus, I would get nothing as far as satisfaction goes from receiving those ashes. imp

Just another crotchety old fart that used to be an admiral.

 

[a91what]

I don't even notice the start stop feature in my f150 anymore... it just sorta does its thing even if I go from the break to the gas and floor it there is no noticeable lag time. although I have had the annoying stop in a parking lot before trying to get setup to pull into a tight spot.

 

[imp]

Just another crotchety old fart that used to be an admiral.

There are 3 of us then? imp

 

[imp]

Learn every day! This start/stop business has me really wondering. Seems like an awful lot of "what-ifs" can be voiced. Like, what if traffic demands a very quick response, a engine-start just don't hack it? imp

 

[General karthief]

 

[imp]

Not sure, but I believe that little guy is taking Pepto for acid stomach! imp