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HELP ME!!! Whats wrong with my engine?!?!

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flyboy86

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So here's the story, sorry if its long, but i think the details are important.

So there I was, driving out to do some mountain hiking, so I was driving across a road at an elevation of about 9,000 feet. The road was perfectly straight, and not a soul to be seen, so I decide to see how fast I can go. I get to 143 mph at about 8.5 psi, and I shift into 5th. Instantly, I see a huge cloud of white smoke in my rearview mirror, so i say, "****", and slow down. I drove another 10 miles or so to a gas station, trailing a decent trail of white smoke. Somebody stopped by, said they had a similar problem, and said it was bad gas. Then i got to thinking. We don't need to get into the details of why...but in that gas tank, about an ounce of diesel fuel accidentally got mixed in with a full tank of 91. We thought i could simply flush out the tank, run some seafoam etc, and it'd be fine. About another 3 full tanks, and after seafoam, i noticed that it was shaking quite a bit at idle. seemed smooth after 1500 rpm or so, but idle was rough. Felt like 7 cylinders were firing. This entire time, not a single DTC was thrown. I checked all the spark plugs, and the #4 plug was destroyed, so i replaced them all, thinking that would fix it. No dice. Same thing. Then we let the car idle, and individually pulled off the coil packs. There was a drop in RPM for 6 of the coils, but no change with the other two. So i bought two new coils, didn't fix it. After all that, approx 4 tanks after it started, it finally threw a code, which was P0171, which is system too lean, bank 1. Now i have no clue whats wrong, it still feels like its running on 6 or 7 cylinders. I can't smell any gas in the coolant, so i doubt i blew the head gasket. Nothing is leaking, and it isn't misfiring or anything, its just rough idle below 1500 or so. Any ideas whats wrong? HELP!
 

hotmustang331

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Check your compression...that will tell the tale. Either that explosion (detonation most likely...or even worse, pre ignition) took out one oor more of your compression rings or damaged the heads/valves some, or it jacked up your fuel injector somehow.

If I were you, I would start with a compression test. All cylinders should be very close to the same. Running WOT at that sortof elevation with no tune for that distance up, isnt a wise idea. I just hope your internals are ok.
 
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yes, i figured a compression test would tell the story. My car was tuned at about 7,000 feet, so i figured 9,000 feet wouldn't be too bad. Plus, the higher elevation should have helped against detonation?
 

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Yes you would think so...but the EEC could over correct. Howver since it was tuned @ 7000 I dont see that as the issue then...many guys that reside @ 5K alt see D.A. days of 9000' and are ok. Just didnt know if you were tuned at seal lv and took a long trip up a mountain lol.

Well in that case, maybe a bit more diesel fuel was mixed in than you thought. Diesel has a very LOW octain rating of 15-20 if im not mistaken, so if you had enough...it could have caused detonation. Like I said, hopefully its something simple
 
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I'd suspect you blew the head gasket on one side. That will introduce coolant into one or two combustion chambers, and make that steam cloud.

A compression check will verify this if two adjacent cylinders are low.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
 

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BobHyatt said:
I'd suspect you blew the head gasket on one side.
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+1.
 

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I wouldn't jump straight to conclusions, but a compression test would be very helpful. I hope you weren't going WOT in 5th gear though. Usually white smoke means you are burning coolant. Check the oil to see if it looks "milky" and see if there's oil in the coolant reservoir. If you have low compression numbers, it could be the rings or valve seals. Report back with the test results.
 

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The #4 plug was destroyed in what way? Worn down or looked like impact?

I doubt you would smell gas in the coolent with a blown head gasket but you should see something amiss in the oil.
 
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The spark plug looked a bit like an impact type thing. The bar that goes over the tip was gone, and it looked kind of chewed up.

I've been checking the coolant levels, and the levels haven't changed at all, even after like 4 tanks of gas. Nothing is leaking, and the smoking is very minimal, but it reaks of raw gas while driving, and shakes under 1500 rpm or so.
 
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flyboy86 said:
The spark plug looked a bit like an impact type thing. The bar that goes over the tip was gone, and it looked kind of chewed up.

I've been checking the coolant levels, and the levels haven't changed at all, even after like 4 tanks of gas. Nothing is leaking, and the smoking is very minimal, but it reaks of raw gas while driving, and shakes under 1500 rpm or so.
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That could easily be detonation. Things get very hot, the combustion shocks are very violent, and it can knock the outer electrode off the plug without having physical contact. Problem then becomes "where did that electrode go, and what did it damage while getting there?"

A compression test is necessary, but either a bore-scope or head removal will likely reveal the extent of what happened...
 

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flyboy86 said:
The spark plug looked a bit like an impact type thing. The bar that goes over the tip was gone, and it looked kind of chewed up.

I've been checking the coolant levels, and the levels haven't changed at all, even after like 4 tanks of gas. Nothing is leaking, and the smoking is very minimal, but it reaks of raw gas while driving, and shakes under 1500 rpm or so.
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If either of the electrodes is gone, you had massive detonation. Did you hear any noise when you saw the white smoke? My guess is, the engine got waaay lean because you were at 9000 feet elevation. The air is denser at that elevation, and will throw off your tune. Get that compression test done. If that checks out, do a leak down test. If those check out, I wouldn't worry about it.
 

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the98stang said:
If either of the electrodes is gone, you had massive detonation. Did you hear any noise when you saw the white smoke? My guess is, the engine got waaay lean because you were at 9000 feet elevation. The air is denser at that elevation, and will throw off your tune. Get that compression test done. If that checks out, do a leak down test. If those check out, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Def detonation or worse but his car was tuned at 7000 ft so 9000 wouldn't make a diff as far as tune goes.

If after the compression check everything checks out I'd still look at a head gasket.
 
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flyboy86

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the98stang said:
The air is denser at that elevation
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um...actually, quite the opposite. It is much LESS dense.

If I blew a head gasket, wouldn't I see the coolant levels go down?

Also, I'm curious why no DTCs were thrown for the longest time.
 
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Last i checked superchargers overcome most changes in altitude thats why he was able to make 8.5psi at 9000 feet. and secondly tunes are made to operate in a boost range just because your only making 8.5 psi doesnt mean your running lean if that was the case then alot of people would be blowing up engines everytime they changed altitude. If your running lean on one bank then pull the fuel rail and injectors if one of your spark plugs is damaged the you probably smoked a injector too. run the compression test and see if you can get your hands on a bore scope. if everything checks out replace the two injectors on the cylinders you mentioned
 

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no no no, system lean bank 1 means several things. 1, o2 sensor bank1 senor1 is gone bad or numero. 2, maf sensor. check'm before you go tearin the engine down, or number, 3. vacuum leak but thats mostly associated with bank1, bank2 system too lean.
 

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So, do we have a diagnosis? I'm curious.
 
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These cars do not blow head gaskets, it does not happen.

Pics of the damaged plug and results of the compression test please...
 

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umm...i think hes got bigger problems. http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=718979
 
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