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CobraRed_96_GT · Dec 10, 2007

blackfang said:
Are you sure? You said it weighs around 3439 in the same thread. Guess what? They don't weight 3800 lbs. They weigh around 34xx-35xx

are you serious? I said the camaro weighs 3439 and the early sn-95 weighs 3077 cuz that's what the manufacturer dry weight specs are. Then you say ur mustang weighs 3400 (cuz it proly does with battery, fuel, spare tire..) and this is a logical idea, but if your comparing full weight then the camaro weighs around 3800 like i said.
I think your misunderstanding what im saying

blackfang · Dec 10, 2007

CobraRed_96_GT said:
are you serious? I said the camaro weighs 3439 and the early sn-95 weighs 3077 cuz that's what the manufacturer dry weight specs are. Then you say ur mustang weighs 3400 (cuz it proly does with battery, fuel, spare tire..) and this is a logical idea, but if your comparing full weight then the camaro weighs around 3800 like i said.
I think your misunderstanding what im saying

Yes you did say that. My car weighs around 34xx for a curb weight and a 95 Cobra(an early SN 95) weighs around 33xx. These are similar weights as an F-Body.
Show me where a Camaro weighs 3800 lbs. What is next comparing drivers weight as well?

The fact of the matter is that the F-Body stock suspension is better than the Mustangs. That is why Mustang Road racers go to that setup. Gee, I wonder why?

Also who the hell compares dry weight of a car when it comes to racing?

CobraRed_96_GT · Dec 10, 2007

blackfang said:
Yes you did say that. My car weighs around 34xx for a curb weight and a 95 Cobra(an early SN 95) weighs around 33xx. These are similar weights as an F-Body.
Show me where a Camaro weighs 3800 lbs. What is next comparing drivers weight as well?

The fact of the matter is that the F-Body stock suspension is better than the Mustangs. That is why Mustang Road racers go to that setup. Gee, I wonder why?

Also who the hell compares dry weight of a car when it comes to racing?

dry weight is a fine comparison when looking at car, cuz full weight you can usually add the same amount to each car. so 362 lbs difference dry vs. dry = usually 362lbs diff. full vs full with same driver. And the whole time we've been talking about the GT vs camaro, so the weight i was reffering to was of course of a GT not a cobra. But please, go on speaking of the greatness of the camaro on STAGnet - im sure your efforts will show to be fruitful

blackfang · Dec 10, 2007

CobraRed_96_GT said:
dry weight is a fine comparison when looking at car, cuz full weight you can usually add the same amount to each car. so 362 lbs difference dry vs. dry = usually 362lbs diff. full vs full with same driver. And the whole time we've been talking about the GT vs camaro, so the weight i was reffering to was of course of a GT not a cobra.

Actually it is more used for comparing motorcycles, that is why Curb weight is commonly used for automobiles. With that said, I am still asking how you are coming up with 3800 pounds for a F-Body when when people are getting 3400-3500 lbs for a curb weight(full weight minus the driver aka curb weight), and 3600 with a 175 lb driver sitting in it. Where is that additional weight coming from? Please enlighten me.

There really isn't that much weight difference among a GT and a Cobra(+/- 100 lbs) of the same year. The curb weight of lets say a 98 F-Body is within 100 lbs of a 98 Mustang GT/Cobra. So that debate is moot anyways.

But please, go on speaking of the greatness of the camaro on STAGnet - im sure your efforts will show to be fruitful

Sorry, I own both cars and educated on both, so I don't have to come up with some half @ssed guess because I have no clue about the other cars. Actually comments like that were exactly what I was referring about in the other thread we posted on regarding owning both cars

You still haven't answered why many road racers are swapping their supposedly better handling suspension setups with the same suspension setups that is on the F-Body.

CobraRed_96_GT · Dec 10, 2007

number i was comparing was curb weight, i was using dry in the place of curd for some reason. And the GT500 has many improvments over our suspension yet it still handles like a pig. The camaro weighs more and has worse weight distribution - so hence putting stock camaro suspension in stang makes it even more better handling.

blackfang said:
S Actually comments like that were exactly what I was referring about in the other thread we posted on regarding owning both cars .

i have no problem with people owning both cars just people who get up on soapboxes about it

blackfang · Dec 10, 2007

CobraRed_96_GT said:
number i was comparing was curb weight, i was using dry in the place of curd for some reason.

So basically you have no idea where you got 3800 lbs. I'll accept that.

And the GT500 has many improvments over our suspension yet it still handles like a pig. The camaro weighs more and has worse weight distribution - so hence putting stock camaro suspension in stang makes it even more better handling.

That is what I am saying is the suspension setup on the F-body is better than the Mustangs. Yes I am sure if you tweaked the car and put it on a diet they would handle just as good as a Mustang.

i have no problem with people owning both cars just people who get up on soapboxes about it

Well I dont know crap about SRT4's, so I dont make ***** up about them without knowing if I am right or not. All I am doing is correcting misinformation, which is why we all are here. To learn from everyone and to help people out.

Zax · Dec 10, 2007

If your going by factual numbers the mustang of the same year weighs 3242 lbs, and the Camaro Z28 weighs 3306 according to Edmunds for the 2000 year models. It's just that most people that test the two will tell you that Mustang feels better and more solid in the turns, where the Camaro has the straight line. I believe the words they use are : "The Mustang communicates with the road better, and has a more solid feel."

CobraRed_96_GT · Dec 10, 2007

blackfang said:
Well I dont know crap about SRT4's, so I dont make ***** up about them without knowing if I am right or not. All I am doing is correcting misinformation, which is why we all are here. To learn from everyone and to help people out.

i wasn't making up anything, it was simply a sarcastic response. I said a 96-98 weighs 3077 and you said urs weighs 3400 so i thought you were accounting driver, floor mats, battery, fuel, and everything else. Therefore i said mockingly in that case the camaro weighs 3800lbs - but i was comparing GT's you were telling me the weigh of your cobra and that's how we both got confused about what we were talking about. I'm not trying to attack the camaro, but simply defend the mustang which does (by the majority of anyone who knows how to drive an oversteering car) handle better in stock trim regardless of the technology used in the camaro's suspension. I'm sorry if you took anything i said personally, but im not making stuff up either. Just because we don't own a camaro doesn't mean we can't comment on our driving experience with it.

mrvax · Dec 11, 2007

CobraRed_96_GT said:
that's affirmative. He's going to serve your 4000lb ride a cold one too. 14 flats arn't going to do anything to a modded SS lS1

A 1996 AT/ GT will be lucky to break 15's. So, he will win by 15+ cars in the 1/4.

tank_567 · Dec 11, 2007

come on guys, my vert weighted in a 3540lb with me 160lb and a half tank of gas spare tire and all. My brothers v6 weighted in at 3130lb with him and a full tank. My dads 5.0 notch weighted in at 3109lb with him and a full tank. So I think a sn95 gt would be around 3300lb. My buddy's 95 LT1 auto z28 come out to be 3551 with him and full tank.

CobraRed_96_GT · Dec 11, 2007

mrvax said:
A 1996 AT/ GT will be lucky to break 15's. So, he will win by 15+ cars in the 1/4.

he said he ran a 9 second 1/8 with his thunderbird, that's why i said 4000lb and 9 seconds 1/8th = 14 seconds flat pretty much

tank_567 said:
come on guys, my vert weighted in a 3540lb with me 160lb and a half tank of gas spare tire and all. My brothers v6 weighted in at 3130lb with him and a full tank. My dads 5.0 notch weighted in at 3109lb with him and a full tank. So I think a sn95 gt would be around 3300lb. My buddy's 95 LT1 auto z28 come out to be 3551 with him and full tank.

sn-95 gt VERT is proly 3300 lbs curb

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