Engine How common are blown head gaskets on a stock 5.0?

[91GTstroked]

Hey guys,

My new to me car is a bone stock 93 5.0 with 27,500 miles on it.

A little background. The previous owner said he overfilled the overflow tank and some was pouring out of it once the car got up to operating temperature. The following day I decided to open the radiator cap to check the fluid. The engine was completely cold and I had pressure at the cap. Fluid was pouring out. I removed some fluid from both the radiator and overflow tank. I also replaced the radiator cap.
The car does have a bad original water pump that needs replacement.

Fast forward to today. I had a local repair shop next door to my shop check some things over on it for a second opinion. The previous owner definitely used the red coolant for some reason. The whole system is getting a flush with green coolant going back in. Also the repair shop couldn't get the operating temp over 170*. Probably replacing the thermostat as well, maybe it has a 160*?. Also they said the upper radiator hose was hot, but felt like air pockets inside of it.

The plan is to do a compression test for sure just to "hopefully" rule out a bad head gasket. It still might have the original spark plugs.

I haven't driven the car much at all. Starts up fine, and idles perfect.

So how common are bad head gaskets on these cars?

Sorry for the long post!

 

[90sickfox]

Blown head gaskets are common for various reasons. If they run hot enough they will blow. Several things don't add up to a blown headgaskrt on your car. The main one is that they can't get the temp above 170. A car with a blown head gasket will run hot.

These cars are hard for an average mechanic to bleed the air out of the cooling system. Vacuum filling it is the easiest way to make sure there's no air in the system.

 

[Mustang5L5]

20 years ago, when all my buddies had 5.0's, they were mostly stock and every once in a while someone would pop a head gasket. I've probably helped replace 5-6 sets of HG's on stock 5.0's back in the late 90' and early 2000's.

I don't recall the causes for it though, but the usual suspects were overheating, or smelling gas/oil in the radiator or losing coolant.

Running at 170? I wouldn't necessarily think HG although i'd do a compression test to check. Install a stock motorcraft 192* tstat and burp the cooling system and see how it behaves then

 

[2GT's]

Easiest way to rule out a blown head gasket is to do a test for exhaust gas in the coolent. NAPA sells the kit for around $35 and you can do several cars with the test kit.

 

[chrlsful]

how it runs, cross contaminants in fluids, tail pipe, usually enuff, but the C test (dry/wet) can do it. Red is not good but dont believe it eats head gaskets (could B wrong). Good Luck~

 

[2GT's]

I have a 65 GT. no oil in water, no water in oil. compression within 4 pounds all around. Headgaskets 10 miles ago after "ace" mechanic diagnosed bad gasket. Blows water like old faithful. Runs strong but has combustion gas in rad. Best guess is cracked head and no time to tear it down

 

[2GT's]

Forgot to add the engine will idle all day and stay cool. Drive it normally at 30 mph for 7 or 8 min in AZ 90 weather and old faithful shows up.

 

[manicmechanic007]

91GTstroked,
You sure found a nice example
I would say head gaskets are common to fail on all cars
Subaru and BMW are the worst for premature failure IMHO
Your post from the 7th means you replaced the gaskets and all is well?
If not start with a new 192 (195) thermostat and a new radiator cap and retest
Your stat is stuck open is why the 170
If you go racing the coolant will boil over
So at least the shop did not flog the crap out of your new to you Mustang

 

[91GTstroked]

Update:

I appreciate all the help everyone. Sounds like the head gaskets are just fine! Hopefully have the car back soon.

 

[Trogdor]

Could the red in the coolant be rust?

 

[91GTstroked]

Could the red in the coolant be rust?

Definitely could be. But the shop said there definitely was red coolant in the system.

 

[revhead347]

Easiest way to rule out a blown head gasket is to do a test for exhaust gas in the coolent. NAPA sells the kit for around $35 and you can do several cars with the test kit.

Autozone rents it for free, including the test fluid. Crazy they do it, but they do.

Kurt

 

[chrlsful]

"...and old faithful shows up..."
if not here's a ck list I use for "coolant sys. tune up & dx":
There are abt a doz things U can wrk with to effect running temps. The big one - proper tune.
Here's the areas:

• leaks in system; air in system
• correct shroud (fan 1/2 in/1/2 out unless 'flex', that = 3/4 in)
• coolant - mix, additives, age, cleanliness;
• water pump - operation, condition; cavitation;
• heater core - leaks, condition, it’s fan on/off;
• block - water passages;
• hoses - collapse, leaks;
• thermostat - condition, temp rating;
• radiator (sz, # rows, clean?, construction, materials - I like ol style copper)
• radiator cap - pressure rating, condition, design;
• fan (blades, design, clutch)
• flush system last yr. or 2?

Too cool (below 180*F) can B a problem too. So what is the actual problem? One or several of the above? If not pukin out - it's in ur mind as it is not "overheating"
Last prt NOT 4 U 91GT but some who get excited its over 212*

 

[90sickfox]

The red coolant is usually RV coolant. I forgot that old trick from way back when. It has a higher boiling point and is more stable when sitting for months. Some even say they transfer heat better. RVs are always under a load for extended times on the highway and are parked a lot. It doesn't mess up anything. It's probably Peak Final Charge phosphate free coolant.

 

[91GTstroked]

The red coolant is usually RV coolant. I forgot that old trick from way back when. It has a higher boiling point and is more stable when sitting for months. Some even say they transfer heat better. RVs are always under a load for extended times on the highway and are parked a lot. It doesn't mess up anything. It's probably Peak Final Charge phosphate free coolant.

Yeah some said to stick with the red coolant, but I'm going back to the green stuff.

 

[chrlsful]

"...Could the red in the coolant be rust?..."
rust will look brownish, thru the glass will have grains/sediment/murky.
That red is honest (realy) R E D.

 

[General karthief]

I think GM (brand x) used red coolant, needed changing often, Caterpillar used red also,
I'd rather pee in my radiator than use brand x red coolant,

 

[7991LXnSHO]

I think GM (brand x) used red coolant, needed changing often, Caterpillar used red also,
I'd rather pee in my radiator than use brand x red coolant,

If you have enough alcohol in your system for that to work as antifreeze, I doubt you can hit the radiator full neck without making a mess.

Did my Yamaha SHO engine use the red stuff? I still have some around from some car, and I doubt it was the ex’s Grand Am.

@91GTstroked, be sure to flush the heck out of the system when changing or fixing the mix.

 

[91GTstroked]

"...Could the red in the coolant be rust?..."
rust will look brownish, thru the glass will have grains/sediment/murky.
That red is honest (realy) R E D.

It could be a mix of the two. Shop said it's definitely got the red coolant.

If you have enough alcohol in your system for that to work as antifreeze, I doubt you can hit the radiator full neck without making a mess.

Did my Yamaha SHO engine use the red stuff? I still have some around from some car, and I doubt it was the ex’s Grand Am.

@91GTstroked, be sure to flush the heck out of the system when changing or fixing the mix.

Definitely will be getting flushed out.

 

[chrlsful]

"...The red coolant is usually RV coolant...."
yes, in the sales container it's pink. THAT is NOT for the radiator. It is for the boat or RV's domestic water / toliet / water pipes...to prevent a frez'n burst.