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Just Tootin my Manual V6 Horn

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  • Start date Start date Oct 23, 2005

MCMustangMan

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I just picked up this real cool book at Borders entitled "Mustang A New Breed of Pony Car 2005" and in it Thai-Tang (the new Mustang Chief Engineer) says "a real "sleeper" in the Mustang line will be the V-6 equipped with the five-speed manual. The V-6 manual is also a really nice package as far as performance feel, the transmission's internals have been changed with more precise machining of the gear set to provide smoother operation." It goes on to say "When equipped with this upgraded Tremec T-5 five-speed manual the V-6 can be a hoot to drive. It's fairly quick and predictable like its GT sibling. The V-6 is much more fun to drive than the previous version, after getting our management team through it, they were surprised and delighted by the performance of the V-6. The performance feel is terrific and we over-achieved our objectives for the car.". Ford estimates the 0-60 acceleration of the V-6 manual about about 7 seconds and 7.5 seconds for the five-speed automatic. With slight less weight on the nose than the GT, the V-6, which has a 53/47 percent front/rear weight distribution, feels nimble and spirited in cornering.

It goes on to say that the 15.7/1 steering ratio remains the same for both cars (V-6 vs. GT) and says that the steering sytem is the same with the same boost curve, T-bar and gearing.

An interesting side note states "Like the GT, particular attention was paid to the sound coming from the exhaust. Although the V-6 is designed to appear to a more female and younger audience, it was felt that the exhaust note should be deeper and slightly more aggressive to reflect the changes beneath the hood. As a result, there's a bit more bark and rasp to the exhaust. It's interesting to note that the single exhaust proved to be a bigger challenge in exhaust note tuning. It was the V-6, and not the GT, that exceeded pass-by noise standards in initial testing. This note in early prototypes was dialed back significantly in subsequent test rides. Thai Thang notes that with just one exhaust and 4.0 liters of displacement, the V-6 is pushing much more air (which makes noise) through the exhaust than the V-8's dual exhaust, making it a bigger challenge to get the sound right. The increased performance, new look, and sound of the V-6 are expected to broaden the car's appeal to younger male buyers who may not be able to afford the GT, or more importantly, the insurance on a V-8 sports car.

Personally, I think Ford (specifically Thai Thang) knew what he was creating here by putting in the 4.0 in the "secretary's car" and I think we have many more performance surprises to come out in regards to performance for our V6 (a thread on the S197 talk forum said that our V6's were not a muscle car era car).
 

rygenstormlocke

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Beautiful!!! This made my day. I will have to pick up this book myself.
 

scrming

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yeah, this new Mustang V6 is certainly getting more attention than previous version of the V6... Now I have no idea if it will ever see the light of day... but we schedule my car next week for a photoshot for a magazine... I couldn't believe they actually were serious about writing about a V6! LOL! But the editor want's to do my car! woohoo! who would have guessed!!! I'll keep you guys posted...
 

rygenstormlocke

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scrming said:
yeah, this new Mustang V6 is certainly getting more attention than previous version of the V6... Now I have no idea if it will ever see the light of day... but we schedule my car next week for a photoshot for a magazine... I couldn't believe they actually were serious about writing about a V6! LOL! But the editor want's to do my car! woohoo! who would have guessed!!! I'll keep you guys posted...
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Great day indeed. You are a pioneer in the 05 V6 world, who would have thought. As soon as your photo shoot is done, let me know...I will pick up the mag that day!!!
 

MCMustangMan

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Ditto on the mag info scrming, I'm sure you'll carry the 4.0L V6 torch proudly!
 

Jenns01TA

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Awesome John. I have some cathin' up to do. Seems you fellas move fast in a few weeks. lol

MC - Sweet dissertation on that book. I will have to go pick one up now.

~J~
 
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MCMustangMan said:
"Like the GT, particular attention was paid to the sound coming from the exhaust. Although the V-6 is designed to appear to a more female and younger audience, it was felt that the exhaust note should be deeper and slightly more aggressive to reflect the changes beneath the hood. As a result, there's a bit more bark and rasp to the exhaust. It's interesting to note that the single exhaust proved to be a bigger challenge in exhaust note tuning. It was the V-6, and not the GT, that exceeded pass-by noise standards in initial testing. This note in early prototypes was dialed back significantly in subsequent test rides."

then // Thai Thang notes that with just one exhaust and 4.0 liters of displacement, the V-6 is pushing much more air (which makes noise) through the exhaust than the V-8's dual exhaust, making it a bigger challenge to get the sound right.
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amnit:

ummm uhh, wouldn't it have made MORE sense from an engineering standpoint to just bite the bullet and go with the dual exhaust system at that point??

I swear, sometimes Ford's natural frugality gets in the way of their basic intelligence!
 

MCMustangMan

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shooterm1 said:
amnit:

ummm uhh, wouldn't it have made MORE sense from an engineering standpoint to just bite the bullet and go with the dual exhaust system at that point??

I swear, sometimes Ford's natural frugality gets in the way of their basic intelligence!
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Hear! hear!
 
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From an engineering standpoint, perhaps. But keep in mind he also mentions "the V-6 is designed to appear to a more female and younger audience.. " And I believe he means appeal here... most females (no offense inteded by this) dont know exhaust from an intake, and most youths cant afford the cost of modding a car. Sure, many can, but sadly more often than not this car when given to a youth is given to someone who really doesnt appreciate what a true work of art it is. They most likely wont know the difference between single or dual exhaust, the pros and cons of either, or really appreciate any kind of difference. With the target audience you also have to keep in mind most in this genre dont want a loud car. They want a safe dependable car as a daily driver. They arent performance driven like we are. Parents will want to give their kids a sporty new ride, but nothing "hod rodded out." Going dual exhaust makes more sense to us, we're going there anyway. From an economic and marketing standpoint it could be a catastrophe.

You should also consider is the initial loss of torque associated with duals down low, and the fact we'd probably have 2.25" pipes we'd have to be replacing instead of a single 2.5". Ford wants to offer an out-of-the-box car with a seat of the pants feeling that's going to hook more than simply enthuasiasts. Its this off-the-line SOTP feeling that Ford has to hope will attract buyers from the target audience. Guys like us can even appreciate it. Realistically, Ford expects those enthusiasts to buy GTs anyway. You might also want to consider the fact its one more way to "tone down" a v6 in comparison to the GT.
 
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Zodiac said:
From an engineering standpoint, perhaps. But keep in mind he also mentions "the V-6 is designed to appear to a more female and younger audience.. " And I believe he means appeal here... most females (no offense inteded by this) dont know exhaust from an intake, and most youths cant afford the cost of modding a car. Sure, many can, but sadly more often than not this car when given to a youth is given to someone who really doesnt appreciate what a true work of art it is. They most likely wont know the difference between single or dual exhaust, the pros and cons of either, or really appreciate any kind of difference. With the target audience you also have to keep in mind most in this genre dont want a loud car. They want a safe dependable car as a daily driver. They arent performance driven like we are. Parents will want to give their kids a sporty new ride, but nothing "hod rodded out." Going dual exhaust makes more sense to us, we're going there anyway. From an economic and marketing standpoint it could be a catastrophe.

You should also consider is the initial loss of torque associated with duals down low, and the fact we'd probably have 2.25" pipes we'd have to be replacing instead of a single 2.5". Ford wants to offer an out-of-the-box car with a seat of the pants feeling that's going to hook more than simply enthuasiasts. Its this off-the-line SOTP feeling that Ford has to hope will attract buyers from the target audience. Guys like us can even appreciate it. Realistically, Ford expects those enthusiasts to buy GTs anyway. You might also want to consider the fact its one more way to "tone down" a v6 in comparison to the GT.
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Within that parallel universe that is Dearborn, your convoluted logic and round about way of saying "the V6 isn't supposed to have duals" must make some sense ...

But I submit that that there are many, MANY new J-ap sedans and Euro Boxs that are driving around today with dual exhaust on their V6's ... and none of those are targeted toward anything but your average Mom & Pop and Ms. Secretary 2005.
 
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I read that the v6 zer0 to 60 time was 6.9 seconds, but hey whats a tenth of a second. That must have been a vert.
 

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6.9 was for the auto too. 15.3 in the quarter. I havent seen any magazine full testing for the v6 manual yet.
 

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What seems simple on the surface is in reality a very complex issue. Consider single vs dual exhaust:

* Twice the hardware
* Twice the labor to install
* Longer assembly time per unit
* Twice as many exhaust units shipped/inventoried/stored

Ford and all auto makers for that matter invest alot of time and money putting out a unit at the lowest possible cost while keeping the margin (profit) as high as possible. For the V6 to be sucessful in its market share it must compete with other cars in price, style, performance, and features. If the cost of a V6 Mustang starts to approach the cost of a GT, then V6 sales will suffer. If the cost of a V6 is higher than the comparable Brand X car, then V6 sales will suffer. Ford assumes that the performance buyer will go with the GT, and the V6 buyer puts performance low on the list of desirable features.

The hot features would be:

200hp V6
250hp V6
300hp GT
GT500

At least for the near future GT production will be limited because the GT and trucks are sharing the 4.6. That seems like it would open the door for a hotter V6.
 

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Just fine

I look forward to driving my V6 Manual every day. On days when I telecommute, I miss driving it out to the Research Triangle Park for work (I don't miss the traffic, but do miss the windy pretty roads on the way).

I really love my car just as it is. It is a huge step up in performance for me, and is a huge step up in fun-to-drive for me.

Enjoying it is probably relative to where you are...
 
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Its threads like this that make me love this forum
 
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