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Kenne Bell v. Procharger

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Gearbanger 101

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Dan_Soprano said:
the roots blower's rotors compress the air in the lower manifold, while the screw style charger actually compresses the air between the screws themselves, making it a more efficient blower with lower air charge temps. check out KB's website @ www.kennebell.net . they have alot of good info on that site, surf it!
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That's not completely accurate. Modern Roots style blowers utilize a pair of "lobes" that have improved quite a bit since the original Roots blowers were introduced. The early Roots blowers utilized a 2-point strait cut lobe and no bypass system. The most recent Roots Hybrids utilize a 3-point design that have been twisted to promote efficiency. (They look similar to a piece of licorice). These lobes actually paddle the air from one side of the case to the other, where the charge is compressed within the intake manifold.

Screw blowers as already stated utilize a set of rotors that resemble giant screws that compresses the air directly between one and other and compression actually takes place within the compressor itself. Their level of efficiency is notable at higher bloost levels, since they aren't prone to leak down like a Roots design is, but since compression is always taking place, ACT's tend to be elevated at lower levels of boost because as we all know...compressed air gets hot. The end result, Twin Screws run cooler up high, and Roots blowers run cooler down low.

...and I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith into KB's advertising propaganda. It's more creative reading, than accurate Tech. Take it with a grain of salt.

Also, as far as the KB vs ATI debate goes...assuming we’re talking about two equal blowers here (a P1SC and a 1.7LKB) the bottom end torque difference between a Procharger and a Kenne Bell are very similar to one and other. True, the Twin Screw does hold a slight advantage, but most of that is on paper. In the real world, that little bit of an advantage the Twin Screw holds at the very bottom end, usually ends up going up in tire smoke anyway. After that first few hundred RPM, the Procharger is going to prove every bit as hard hitting down low as the Twin Screw. The Prochargers 4.10 gearing and standard cooler put it right on part with the KB's at all power ranges…and perhaps even a little further ahead on the top end.

As far as him being "better off" with the KB or the Procharger in comparison to a Eaton based Roots design.....perhaps from a maximum horsepower standpoint, but the REV II AED kits for the 99-up GT is every bit the blower either of the other two are and will run right up there to the 350-400rwhp range with either of them. After that, the MP90S the Allen kit utilizes has pretty much run out of steam.....but considering it's the smallest displacment blower of the three, this stands to reason. But again, that's not to say it isn't a quality built kit, with top notch craftsmanship. What it lacks in peek horsepower, it makes up for in drive ability and reliability. Power aside, the other blowers have yet to proven a match respect with regards to the durability of an Eaton.
 

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Gearbanger 101 said:
Power aside, the other blowers have yet to proven a match respect with regards to the durability of an Eaton.
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You may want to do some more research on the durability of the eaton......Alot of people are finding themselves having to rebuild the snout drive after only 20,000 miles or so........
 

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You may want to do some more research on the durability of the eaton......Alot of people are finding themselves having to rebuild the snout drive after only 20,000 miles or so........
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Well, there might be the odd case out there due to abuse, or neglect but as a whole......I know of 60,000+ Thunderbird, Cougar, Buick and GTP owners that will prove me right. And that's just from the Ford and GM camps. Auto manufacturers picked this blower as OEM for a reason ya know.
 

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For and IL speedshop check out andersonfordmotorsport.com check out there 4.6 vortech kits....another option to look at great company also sutton performance in matteson..would install/tune a blower
 

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Dan_Soprano said:
You may want to do some more research on the durability of the eaton......Alot of people are finding themselves having to rebuild the snout drive after only 20,000 miles or so........
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Total BS. I know dozens, literally, of guys from the Lightning forums that have over 100k on eatons. The one in my truck was 66k on it with a 4lb pulley on the crank. Almost all the lightning guys run a 4 or 6lb pulley as well. Eatons are bullet proof.
 

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To answer the question on how the different blowers sound..The Procharger will have kind of a whistle at idle, then it will fade as rpms climb. The KB will be almost completely silent at idle, but when you get on it, it has kind of a electrical buzz...hard to describe.
 
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So does the allen blower use eaton parts?

has anyone used this kit?
 

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I have a REV I Allen kit on my Cougar. It utilizes an Eaton M90S and works pretty well. The Eaton kits are never going to be any heavy hitting horsepower makers, but they're no slouches either. The REV I kit with bolt-ons has the ability to propel my heavy assed Cougar into the high-11's and would do at least the same for a Mustang. That’s right there in Kenne Bell territory even if it's not churning out as much horsepower. The '99-up Kits utilize an MP90S, which is a better blower yet and with the usual bolt-on's will put you near the 400rwhp mark. Either kit is top notch in quality and one of the better ones out there IMO.

Here’s a dyno clip of a Bullitt Mustang with a REV II kit.
http://www.allenengine.com/Steve_LowRes.wmv
 

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Again, what is your issue with the vortech?
It is a few hundred less than the procharger, thousands less than the KB.

If you have the money, go KB, otherwise, I'd reccommend a Vortech, get the mongoose kit from www.modularpowerhouse.com

The oil pan IS NOT hard to do. It took less than half an hour and is one of the most straight forward parts of the installation.
 

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KB over the procharger. it's not even close. The KB can make just as much peak power as the Procharger on the stock block, but it will kill the Procharger down low. the only downside to the KB is the price.
 

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ADRENLN said:
i do have a quick question though. When you run synthetic oil and you tap the pan for the blower, its ok for the blower to be run on synthetic too?
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run regular oil for the first 3000 miles, then go to synthetic.
 

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KB over the procharger. it's not even close. The KB can make just as much peak power as the Procharger on the stock block, but it will kill the Procharger down low. the only downside to the KB is the price.
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I disagree, as do many others.
 

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mus1994stang said:
Alright ill probably go with KB in the future.. how does the intercooler work on the roots type.. is it separate from the actual unit.

Gears are something i want to get soon.. should i go with 3.73 if id eventually like to s/c.
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This is what the intercooler looks like. It bolts to the bottom of the blower. I can't wait to get it on the car . And yes go with 3.73's.

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A KB kill's a P1SC down low. I know from personal experience so don't expect me to believe otherwise. The ass-o-meter knows all. There is a reason a KB is more than a Procharger, I've been through this whole performance already.
 
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