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Mandatory black boxes in all your cars by next month.....

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N8Dogg98

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^ exactly, which brings me to an earlier point. I don't see how passing a requirement to mandate black box installation would infringe on any ones right to travel.
 

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N8Dogg98 said:
^ exactly, which brings me to an earlier point. I don't see how passing a requirement to mandate black box installation would infringe on any ones right to travel.
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Not exactly what I'm saying. The argument is that the government has no authority to maintain any standards or infringe on the right of the people to travel. Operating a vehicle for the purpose of traveling can not be infringed. Therefore the government has no authority to force you to maintain a driver's license, or any authority to take away your right to operate a car. I'm not giving any merit to this legal theory either way. It's an issue that some of the ultra libertarians in New Hampshire want to expose to the public.

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Yeah, I don't see them getting very far with that. Remember, people can still take the bus, ride a train, fly in an airplane, and ride a taxi.
 

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Yeah, I don't see that going very far either. I think the realities of completely unregulated roads would out weigh a few minor legal details.

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this has been going on for several years and new cars from 2008 (IIRC might be 09) on may have it installed already. the data is stored in the AirBag Module Memory. It monitors certain sensors like TPS, MAF, ABS, Steering, VSS, etc. There are already lawsuits going on to determine who owns the info. The dealers say they own the data because they own the program and installed it for their R&D purposes. Procecuters want it so they can use the info against you, insurance companies want it to determine "At Fault" and the vehicle owner should own it because he bought the vehicle. Rental car companies have used the info to determine fault. When i researched this there were only a few companies that had the program to access and read the info.
 

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I've run into similiar scenarios before with our ASAP program at work. We have a program where by pilots voluntarily record data of incidences where regulations or procedures were not adhered to for whatever reason via an online reporting system. In exchange for this data, the pilots are given a small margin of legal license protection should enforcement action come. The FAA uses this data once it has been de identified to help build programs and procedures to help resolve re occuring problems. However, there is only way to keep this data safe from the talons of the lawyers that have taken over this country and left the average citizen prostrate. Data can legally be retained by a non profit organization, and not be subject to the sapina of a court. All our data is transmitted directly to a database operated by the University of Texas, which is of course a non profit organization. The only way for the auto manufacturers to truly keep this data safe would be to set up a similiar program.

Kurt
 
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