Military guys' thread, aka, lets un-hijack this other thread
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So most of that is true...the airframe has a
ty large RCS--roughly 100X the RCS of the B-1. The number of engines is about to change from 8 to 4 and quite honestly, it's kinda irrelevant anyway. JATO isn't a thing anymore...I saw that he said he's a B52 guy, but I haven't seen a B52 use rocket assisted take off since before H models, and the AF operates ONLY H models with the possible exception of a G model at Edwards or some other such nonsense. As far as the SAM comment, yes, it presents an enormous slow moving non-that-maneuverable target, BUT, for the past 20 years we've been fighting an adversary that largely doesn't possess that capability anyway, so why not use it?There are arguments to keep the aircraft, and there are many to not bother with it anymore, but one thing that keeps coming back is simply about numbers and force projection...
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And in response to your questions at the end of the post:
They are still and have always been capable of carrying cruise missiles...B52s are a terrific standoff platform, but even those have their limits and knowing your battleground is where those answers lie. As far as nothing else being able to do the mission, I'd like to refer to the FACT that B1s operated continuously in the middle eastern theater for 15 years before being called back to garrison...B52s were only there in 2016 because GSC rotated them there and B1s to the Pacific...then B1s made two more rotations in the sandbox before the AF said your services are no longer required...and 52s aren't there either.
FWIW, B1s are in the Pacific...again...and making cameos over northen europe again too...
They are still and have always been capable of carrying cruise missiles...B52s are a terrific standoff platform, but even those have their limits and knowing your battleground is where those answers lie. As far as nothing else being able to do the mission, I'd like to refer to the FACT that B1s operated continuously in the middle eastern theater for 15 years before being called back to garrison...B52s were only there in 2016 because GSC rotated them there and B1s to the Pacific...then B1s made two more rotations in the sandbox before the AF said your services are no longer required...and 52s aren't there either.
FWIW, B1s are in the Pacific...again...and making cameos over northen europe again too...
Yes, they had to change the tower on the older ships when they were upgraded with the newer radar systems. No more big spinner on the roof!
Note they also removed the Harpoon Anti-ship missile launcher, too. They changed the destroyer escorts' role to anti-submarine/anti-torpedo operations. The bigger Arleigh-Burke-Class Destroyers now have the missile batteries.
Note they also removed the Harpoon Anti-ship missile launcher, too. They changed the destroyer escorts' role to anti-submarine/anti-torpedo operations. The bigger Arleigh-Burke-Class Destroyers now have the missile batteries.
Saw an Arleigh Burke or two at Pearl Harbor...especially during RIMPAC-fascinating stuff.
Lol, yeah, in a past life...I used to take employee numbers, now I just shake my head. All joking aside, I ran into plenty of people who were like that, but I did more hands on training than I did failing...
So you were a good QA guy then. New guys like me really appreciate that stuff. Before the AF I did civilian maintenance for 8 years but I still appreciate the people who wanna take time and show me little tricks and tips of the job.
Good? Or a pushover? Depends on your audience. You know how aircraft mx is man...
I did a lot of what I called "redemption" follow ups...
Ex: I rolled up on a guy once dumping GN2 and hydro on a jet...dude was surrounded by tools, equipment, PPE-all looked decent with the world, so I thought to myself, self, this is a good opportunity to knock out some inspections...ground handling, housekeeping/environmental compliance, APG Mx, Tech order currency and use, AGE operation...boat loads of opportunity for wins
So I walk up to the guy (I knew him) and greet him/have some small talk while I start looking at all his stuff and verify he's doing what it appears he's about to do. I I asked him where his TO was (we still had paper tech data at the time) and he hands me an open book and continues opening the hydro servicing panel. I realize immediately he's handed me the wrong book...it's for servicing, not dumping/depressurizing...different books altogether. I say to him, Dave, where's the task for depressurizing/dumping the system? He looked a little perplexed and slips the book away from me...runs the pages back and forth a little, realizes he handed me the wrong book after a small "talk it through" discussion...by now he's stopped the task he was about to perform and we had a dramatic pause...I tell him, Dave, I think I'm gonna go smoke and hit the restroom, but I'll be back in about 20.
I rolled back out 20 minutes later, he had resumed the task, and with a grin he handed me the correct book...I passed him on a ton of QVIs and made my way about my business...he never gave me any hell before or after that day and always had his straight afterwards.
Now there were OTHER people that didn't care (I know that's everywhere), and quite frankly should've been tossed off a cliff, but you still had to treat them dispassionately.
So I handed out my fair share of STVs, usually because someone was being careless, stupid, argumentative...some combination thereof.
I did a lot of what I called "redemption" follow ups...
Ex: I rolled up on a guy once dumping GN2 and hydro on a jet...dude was surrounded by tools, equipment, PPE-all looked decent with the world, so I thought to myself, self, this is a good opportunity to knock out some inspections...ground handling, housekeeping/environmental compliance, APG Mx, Tech order currency and use, AGE operation...boat loads of opportunity for wins
So I walk up to the guy (I knew him) and greet him/have some small talk while I start looking at all his stuff and verify he's doing what it appears he's about to do. I I asked him where his TO was (we still had paper tech data at the time) and he hands me an open book and continues opening the hydro servicing panel. I realize immediately he's handed me the wrong book...it's for servicing, not dumping/depressurizing...different books altogether. I say to him, Dave, where's the task for depressurizing/dumping the system? He looked a little perplexed and slips the book away from me...runs the pages back and forth a little, realizes he handed me the wrong book after a small "talk it through" discussion...by now he's stopped the task he was about to perform and we had a dramatic pause...I tell him, Dave, I think I'm gonna go smoke and hit the restroom, but I'll be back in about 20.
I rolled back out 20 minutes later, he had resumed the task, and with a grin he handed me the correct book...I passed him on a ton of QVIs and made my way about my business...he never gave me any hell before or after that day and always had his
straight afterwards.Now there were OTHER people that didn't care (I know that's everywhere), and quite frankly should've been tossed off a cliff, but you still had to treat them dispassionately.
So I handed out my fair share of STVs, usually because someone was being careless, stupid, argumentative...some combination thereof.
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USAF, 1980-1990, Jet Mech, flightline maintenance. Worked B-52Gs & KC-135As through May 84 at Blytheville AFB, Arkansas. Then went to Grissom AFB, Indiana and worked on various versions of KC-135s including R models.
As far as I know, B-52s never had JATO, probably confused with B-47s which did.
B-52G #6509 in climatic lab at Eglin AFB, Florida in Oct 82. I'm in center kneeling.
Flying from Moron AB, Spain (Mighty Warrior 89) to Sigonella Naval Air Station, Sicily, September 89.
As far as I know, B-52s never had JATO, probably confused with B-47s which did.
B-52G #6509 in climatic lab at Eglin AFB, Florida in Oct 82. I'm in center kneeling.
Flying from Moron AB, Spain (Mighty Warrior 89) to Sigonella Naval Air Station, Sicily, September 89.
Do C-130's land? I got out half way so I never had to experience that aspect of them........USAF 89-93 16th SOS. Oh yeah, AC-130 gunships
2/325 82AA 11B3P(G,H,I......etc.....)
I always figured they ran out of things that leaked and slowly drifted away into the cosmos
Do C-130's land? I got out half way so I never had to experience that aspect of them........
Regular C-130's....yeah. Spooky gunship.......nopeDo C-130's land? I got out half way so I never had to experience that aspect of them........
2/325 82AA 11B3P(G,H,I......etc.....)
I always figured they ran out of things that leaked and slowly drifted away into the cosmos
Two many damn acronyms, 82AA = 82nd Airborne? What's the rest?Do C-130's land? I got out half way so I never had to experience that aspect of them........
2/325 82AA 11B3P(G,H,I......etc.....)
I always figured they ran out of things that leaked and slowly drifted away into the cosmos
I just want to Point Out that the combination of YOUR CT and MINE is a very bad thing...... Did Our Tranny's meet once?
2/325 - 2nd Battalion 325th Infantry (White Falcons)
82 AA - Yes 82nd All American Airborne
11B3P - 11B - Infantry, 3 Skill Identifier, P - Paratrooper, V - Ranger, H - Instructor (letters valid while I was enlisted, Army change
all of the time so who knows what they mean now LOL)