Motor Trend Info on the new Boss mustang

[1meanZ]

Rumors are flying that the 6.2L V8 project is still alive. What has gotten the buzz going again was info. posted on a UAW web site that said Cleveland Casting Plant was bidding on the "6.2L V8 Boss engine block".

Perhaps the "6.2L Boss" is the resurection of the Hurricane.

The boss name is interesting in that during the Hurricane rumor days, the 6.2L was purported to be primarily a truck engine. But then again the 5.4L is primarily a truck engine too.

Sounds promising but it probably wouldn't be ready in time for the Boss. They want the Boss as an '08 model, right? Maybe somewhere in the '09+ refresh model.

 

['67lover]

Hey to burst your bubble but the "Boss" program is a resurrection of the 6.2L Hurricane, but it won't be out until '09. Not to mention its going in a truck, not a mustang. This coming from an engineer working on the program...

 

[PonyboyIsaac]

well if it was a 6.2 in a new boss i'd be ecstatic but if its a 5.4L i'd still be damn happy, i just want it to happen!

 

[351CJ]

[QUOTE='67lover]Hey to burst your bubble but the "Boss" program is a resurrection of the 6.2L Hurricane, but it won't be out until '09. Not to mention its going in a truck, not a mustang. This coming from an engineer working on the program...[/QUOTE]


If what you say is true, you have not burst my bubble. It's great news that the Hurricane program has been resurected. My understanding is that the 6.2 V8 is primarily intended as a replacement for the 6.8L V10 (truck engine) which is a big, heavy, gas hog.

Since the 5.4 was originally intended for trucks and SUVs only, and it eventually found its way into Mustangs, then sooner or later the 6.2 will find its way into Mustangs too.

 

[Power4]

Since the 5.4 was originally intended for trucks and SUVs only, and it eventually found its way into Mustangs, then sooner or later the 6.2 will find its way into Mustangs too.

I think Ford has gotten a little wiser since then. If they did indeed resurrect the 6.2 L V8 then maybe they're designing it in mind with possible use in passenger cars too (i.e. the Mustang). The new 3.5 L V6 that's going to be replacing the 3.0 L V6 in many of Ford's cars has been designed with forced induction in mind. I think there's a chance we might see some seriously powerful sports cars from Ford in the future.

 

['67lover]

I think Ford has gotten a little wiser since then. If they did indeed resurrect the 6.2 L V8 then maybe they're designing it in mind with possible use in passenger cars too (i.e. the Mustang). The new 3.5 L V6 that's going to be replacing the 3.0 L V6 in many of Ford's cars has been designed with forced induction in mind. I think there's a chance we might see some seriously powerful sports cars from Ford in the future.

The 6.2L targets for HP and TQ are 400/400 and yes that will replace the V10. The 3.5 Duratec will eventually find its way into the Mustang replacing the aged 4.0L. Thank god they are finally putting a modern V6 in the Mustang. I might not be able to call them bitch baskets anymore...

 

[mattdee1]

Ford as a company IS dumb, due to executive mangement just looking out for themselves (whoop, need a pay raise, time to dump a few more thousand hard working people,

Hard working? You're kidding, right?

Over the course of 3 years, I worked at both of Ford's engine plants in the Windsor area. I've been up and down those assembly lines many times--most of the jobs are total cakewalks. Attaching a hose to an engine is not "hard work" by any stretch of the imagination, especially when you're being paid $33/hour to do it. Sure, the jobs are boring, but the thought of paying workers, in some cases, over $150k per year to tighten bolts is beyond ridiculous. And you know what? The union would still complain that they weren't getting enough. Don't even get me started on these guys that call themselves "skilled trades". This "electrician" at one of the plants showed me his paystub in September, and his year to date gross pay was $178000. All that goof did all day was change 2 or 3 batteries on the forklifts, and then spend the rest of the time sleeping in a cardboard box filled with styrofoam peanuts. He'd come in on Sundays and earn double time ($80+ per hour), and either sleep the whole shift or head out to the bar for a few beers with the boys. Unbelievable.

Ford's management has definitely had some blunders, but those corrupt unions are just as guilty in sinking the company.

 

[Mossberg]

Here is an article on the 6.2 Hurricane motor.

http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060326/AUTO01/603260358

Hurricane Watch

Ford hopes high-performance V-8 blows away rivals

Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News

March 26, 2006

The Hurricane is back.

A year after Ford Motor Co. killed its planned Hemi-fighting V-8 to the dismay of horsepower junkies, Ford Americas group chief Mark Fields has put the high-performance engine back in the company’s product pipeline, according to sources familiar with the project.

Fields revived the engine three months ago as part of a new restructuring plan for the automaker. The decision offers a telling insight into how serious Fields is about shaking things up at Ford, underscoring his repeated assertions that nothing is off the table when it comes to reshaping the automaker’s troubled North American auto operations, which lost $1.6 billion last year.

Ford nixed the Hurricane project because of concerns about development costs and rising gasoline prices. Now, Fields has decided that maintaining Ford’s leadership in the pickup truck market against mounting challenges from rivals General Motors Corp. and DaimlerChrysler AG’s Chrysler Group trumps those concerns.

Many analysts were dismayed by Ford’s decision to halt development of the Hurricane, which will likely get a new name before hitting the market.

“It was a dumb program to kill,” said Jim Hall, an analyst with AutoPacific in Southfield. Hall said Ford got spooked by soaring fuel prices last spring, which seemed to spell bad news for thirsty high-horsepower engines. However, he said long-term analysis shows that, while demand for big engines may ebb and flow as a result of gasoline prices or other factors, it remains steady over time.

Erich Merkle, a brand analyst with IRN Inc. in Grand Rapids, is not surprised Ford decided to revive the Hurricane.

“They’ve got to do something from a powertrain perspective if they’re going to hold on to the F-series’ lead,” he said, noting that both GM and Chrysler have more powerful engines on the market, particularly in their trucks and sport utilities.

“Ford has nothing,” Merkle said. “Without those bigger options, they are going to have a hard time competing.”

Ford does have some big engines, but none that can compete with the 425-horsepower 6.1-liter Hemi or the 403-horsepower Vortec that will equip the 2007 Cadillac Escalade SUV. With its 300-horsepower Triton, Ford’s2007 Lincoln Navigator will have a hard time keeping up with the Escalade.

When it comes to engines, few have captured the public’s imagination like Chrysler’s Hemi.

The Hemi’s roots go back to the 1950s, but the vaunted powerhouse disappeared from production cars in 1974, a victim of new government fuel economy requirements. Chrysler reintroduced a new Hemiin the 2003 Dodge Ram Heavy Duty pickup.

Ford wants theHurricane to more than a match these engines and help ensure the automaker stays on top of the hotly-contested truck segment. As Chrysler has shown with Hemi, however, automakers also can command a price premium for high-performance powertrains. That means the Hurricane could help Ford’s bottom line.

Merkle said Ford’s Cleveland casting plant has received orders for a new 6.2-liter engine block, with work to begin next year.

“We believe that would be the Hurricane,” he said.

However, the Hurricane is not likely to make landfall before 2008. It will probably debut in Ford’s F-series pickups. A team has visited Ford’s Dearborn Truck factory, where F-150s are made, to assess what changes will be needed to accommodate the new engine on the line there.

But sources say the Hurricane also will be used in other platforms.

While Ford’s engine may not incorporate the sort of cylinder deactivation system found in the Hemi and Vortec, sources say it will offer similar fuel economy.

Other approaches that could be used to realize these gains include using the sort of multi-valve systems found on some German engines.

Whatever method Ford employs, the emphasis will remain on horsepower.

 

[351CJ]

Maybe we will get a REAL Boss Mustang in a couple years.

That crash you hear in the background is the prices of GT500s already dropping.