My alignment is still off... help please.. pics

CottonBurnerz · May 26, 2004

Went to the shop today to get my alignment done after the steeda spring install + tokicos shocks/struts install..

My c/c plate is still stock..

here are the result:

Any help would be great... I'm not in a very good mood right now

Will this be okay? It's not off that much.. I would probably get new c/c plate soon... but would like to see some input from you guys..

Zinc001 · May 26, 2004

From what I can see all they did was adjust your toe in. They did't touch you camber, the .04 change in camber would be from changing the toe. Take it back or go somewhere else, they should be able to do better than that. Depending on how much you want to bring your camber back you may have to get c/c plates, but should be able to get it close without them.
Doug

CottonBurnerz · May 26, 2004

but will the car run okay for now... or in the long run? Is it that bad..

Turbo92PGT · May 26, 2004

I'd definetly get some c&c plates. My ford probe that i lowered didn't have camber kit or anything on it and it pulled all over the road, despite 3 alignments. if its driving good and straight down the road, leave it alone untill you get enough money for it. Watch your tire wear though. Just the front, they couldn't align anything in the rear so it shouldn't be too hard to look for

CottonBurnerz · May 26, 2004

Turbo92PGT said:
I'd definetly get some c&c plates. My ford probe that i lowered didn't have camber kit or anything on it and it pulled all over the road, despite 3 alignments. if its driving good and straight down the road, leave it alone untill you get enough money for it. Watch your tire wear though. Just the front, they couldn't align anything in the rear so it shouldn't be too hard to look for

yea the tech said the car runs straight and everything.. it's just almost 2 degrees off and that I'm going to see some tire wear.. anyhow, i would probably get the c/c plate in near future.. it's not that hard to install anyhow..

StangLou · May 26, 2004

My thread on this went no where lol.

For an extended time, yes you will have problems with your setup. For a short time, simply watch your tires BIG TIME!!! My front right is almost bald on the outside edge. tire pressure is fine. It isnt toe since the other side shows no signs. This is also the same side I hear noise from after my springs/bushing/c/c plate install. I dont know if its a coincidence or not.

Some help for you... its really hard for an alignment shop to adjust caster/camber without the c/c plates. Honestly about all they can adjust is toe in a stock setting. It is fairly difficult to adjust c/c on a stock c/c equiped stang. They can do a little here or there, but nothing what they can do with c/c plates. Once you get c/c plates you will have a lot more adjustability to your set up

Hope this helps you some.

CottonBurnerz · May 26, 2004

Thanks lou.. I hear road noise more as I was driving home as well... maybe it's just me... anyhow, once I get c/c plate.. should I go back and have this shop do the alignment again? what do you guys think?

Zinc001 · May 26, 2004

Yes. I'm surprised it's not pulling with the difference in your camber left to right. The insides of your tires will wear the quickest. When I first lowered my car my camber was at -1.4 and they brought it back to -.9 without plates. I ended up getting plates this year though because I wanted to increase my castor.

jeff1414 · May 26, 2004

Just get some cc plates..

jeff1414 · May 26, 2004

camber
General street use -.7° to -1.1°
Aggressive street handling -1.2° to -1.5°

CottonBurnerz · May 26, 2004

jeff1414 said:
Just get some cc plates..

thanks for the info jeff.. Guess my car is setted-up for autocross racing lol..

However.. I will ride on this current tires for now until I get enough budget to get the 18' rims and nitto's.. then I'll get new c/c plate at the same time

EDIT: jeff.. the link didn't work.. but i quickly figured out in less thatn 5 seconds thanks man

jeff1414 · May 26, 2004

CottonBurnerz said:
thanks for the info jeff.. Guess my car is setted-up for autocross racing lol..

However.. I will ride on this current tires for now until I get enough budget to get the 18' rims and nitto's.. then I'll get new c/c plate at the same time

EDIT: jeff.. the link didn't work.. but i quickly figured out in less thatn 5 seconds thanks man

No problem.. Looks like you car is coming along nicely. When you get the 18's it's going to look sweet

StangLou · May 26, 2004

Its not just you, I heard and felt a lot more road noise/road vibrations that I had with the stock setup. Its not a huge difference, but it is noticable.
Im heading to the shop tomorrow am to have them look and see if anything on my install is whacky to try and fix my hesitating steering wheel and slight moan. I hope its something easy, I dont want to trouble shoot the freaking rack and pinion

The price we pay to mod lol

Rocketman · May 26, 2004

I went 1.5 months waiting for my springs to settle before I bolted in the C/C plates. The first shop, using a computer/lazer set up, said it was right on the money when they finished. It was pulling to the right within 3 weeks. I took it to marlosframealignment@socal.rr.com and they have an old manual rack. They made several adjustments and drove it 4 times. 6 months later still perfect and no unusual tire wear.

CottonBurnerz · May 26, 2004

StangLou said:
Its not just you, I heard and felt a lot more road noise/road vibrations that I had with the stock setup. Its not a huge difference, but it is noticable.
Im heading to the shop tomorrow am to have them look and see if anything on my install is whacky to try and fix my hesitating steering wheel and slight moan. I hope its something easy, I dont want to trouble shoot the freaking rack and pinion
The price we pay to mod lol

Oh ya I forgot to mention..

Goodyear = teh lose

Don't ask me why.. I would get more pissed..

StangLou · May 26, 2004

DOH!!! I knew I forgot something... You will probably need another alignment after you c/c install. Forgot to tell you last time.

I figure the tires arent helping me any. I plan on some Nitto 555R's in a few months I was just going with stock size to fit my stock rims. I like the ol bullitt rims . Can I go up in size any or should I stick with the current dimentions

CottonBurnerz · May 26, 2004

StangLou said:
DOH!!! I knew I forgot something... You will probably need another alignment after you c/c install. Forgot to tell you last time.

I figure the tires arent helping me any. I plan on some Nitto 555R's in a few months I was just going with stock size to fit my stock rims. I like the ol bullitt rims . Can I go up in size any or should I stick with the current dimentions

Yup I know that I will need another alignment for sure.. but the current tires I have only has 4400 miles on it... so I'm not worry about them that much..

Ryan L · May 26, 2004

Zinc001 said:
From what I can see all they did was adjust your toe in. They did't touch you camber, the .04 change in camber would be from changing the toe. Take it back or go somewhere else, they should be able to do better than that.

No. You can't adjust caster/camber on Mustangs. Look at your stock plates, they DO NOT move. You must buy aftermarket c/c plates.

CottonBurnerz · May 26, 2004

Ryan L said:
No. You can't adjust caster/camber on Mustangs. Look at your stock plates, they DO NOT move. You must buy aftermarket c/c plates.

the reason why I didn't get the c/c plate in the first place is because I've read that many people did not need c/c plate to get perfect alignment with steeda springs.. Guess I/they were wrong..

JayC · May 26, 2004

Contrary to what some more anal folks will tell you, it is quite possible to achieve a good alignment with a lowered car without expensive aftermarket Caster/Camber plates.......

I had a terrible negative camber after my spring install. here's my #'s

Before camber with upper OEM plate maxed out to +:
left = -1.9 right = -2.5

After camber with NAPA Camber bolt kit installed:
left = -.04 right = -.04

Part #'s for the bolts are 264-3638, you'll need two, about $20 each

You're welcome..

Jay

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