Need some help with an intake I saw

1bad67sbf · Jun 8, 2011

i was at the all for show in PA and seen this car and fell in love with the intake setup. i have a performer 5.0 intake now, so would this setup be an upgrade in performance or just looks. does anyone know the price range or part number for this lower intake and elbow? i feel it just makes things look so clean under the hood.

408WBlackCoupe · Jun 8, 2011

1986-1995 Mustang 5.0L Satin Professional Products Hurricane Intake with Machined Efi Bosses at LRS - Same Day Shipping!

Edelbrock 38483 Edelbrock Throttle Body Intake Elbows

about 350 add your fuel rail and throttle body and hammer down. As far as an upgrade it would give you alot more air as long as you have the heads and cam to go with it. but it would still work.

wythors · Jun 8, 2011

You have to be able to move a LOT of air to take advantage of that set up.

strtrcr50 · Jun 8, 2011

I'd be really leary about throwing that intake on depending on what you have done with your motor. That's not going to be anything like your performer.
And if it were me, I would get the edelbrock, not the professional products. I know the PP one is cheaper, but first off, the quality is nowhere near the same, second off, I don't support companies that steal a product from an american company that did the research, then send it over to China to avoid patent problems, then bring it back and undercut the company that put in the time to R&D it. This is also the reason I don't buy UPR products.

1bad67sbf · Jun 8, 2011

thats better priced than i thought it would be. 90mm is big but i plan on building another small block up in a few years. i may look into this for that build. thanks for the help

90stang5speed · Jun 8, 2011

I went the cheaper route & got the summit stage IV. I had to drill out holes for the injector bungs & JB weld them in. At the time I thought it would be an interesting chalenge but, I think I would say go with the edlebrock too. That intake is supposed to be good from 3500-8000 RPM. I dont know how street friendly it is yet as mine is still up on stands. I also have a turbo & plans for a DART 363 in the future. If I ever get mine back on the road, I'll post more about it.

strtrcr50 · Jun 8, 2011

1bad67sbf said:
thats better priced than i thought it would be.

That's what happens when you have absolutely no R&D tied up in a product.

NIKwoaC · Jun 9, 2011

Yea, it's a lot of intake, you're going to want to make sure the rest of your setup will agree with it.

1bad67sbf · Jun 9, 2011

strtrcr50 said:
That's what happens when you have absolutely no R&D tied up in a product.

do PP copy on all their products or just intakes? is this intake a knock off of edelbrock?

1bad67sbf · Jun 9, 2011

Edelbrock 29285 - Edelbrock Super Victor EFI Intake Manifolds - Overview - SummitRacing.com
this thing is all high rev and says for aftermarket blocks, is this the original to the PP up top?

strtrcr50 · Jun 9, 2011

1bad67sbf said:
do PP copy on all their products or just intakes? is this intake a knock off of edelbrock?

PP copies all their intakes. If you look around, you will find reviews of their intakes to be all over the place. What you tend to find is that people just throwing their first performance intake on a stock motor might not notice how bad port alignment is, and it may take them a while to strip out a bolt hole. The metal is not the same quality, nor is the fabrication.

1bad67sbf said:
Edelbrock 29285 - Edelbrock Super Victor EFI Intake Manifolds - Overview - SummitRacing.com
this thing is all high rev and says for aftermarket blocks, is this the original to the PP up top?

Pretty much. If you were running a big stroker, or maybe a little stroker with a blower, I might consider it. If you are just doing HCI, you won't be happy with the result. The person I know that runs one has it on a built 347 with a YSI trim.

strtrcr50 · Jun 9, 2011

From CHP's site...

Designed for high-rpm and competition 289/302 engines with aftermarket Windsor-style racing cylinder heads such as the Edelbrock Victor heads #77219 or Victor Jr. heads #77169, this new Super Victor 8.2 is for engines with an 8.2" deck height. Excellent for large displacement drag racing engines, this single-plane race manifold delivers big power gains from 4500 to 8500 rpm and includes nitrous and rear cooling water bosses. The square-bore carburetor pad stands .750" taller than the Edelbrock Victor Jr. #2921. Victor EFI also available.
Item Code EDE-29285
Vendor Name Edelbrock
Product Type Intake Manifold
Product Model Super Victor EFI
Application Ford 302, 8.2" Deck, Non EGR
Engine Family FORD-LINCOLN-MERCURY - Small Block 302 Based V8
Finish Satin
Delivery Type EFI
Basic Operating Range 4500-9000 RPM

01brknGT · Jun 9, 2011

so adding something like TFS TW heads and a stage 2 TFS cam wouldnt work to well with this intake on a stock block? How about on a 331 stroker with TFS heads and cam?

2000xp8 · Jun 9, 2011

For that intake to work properly with your car you are going to need a supercharger or turbo setup.

strtrcr50 · Jun 9, 2011

01brknGT said:
so adding something like TFS TW heads and a stage 2 TFS cam wouldnt work to well with this intake on a stock block? How about on a 331 stroker with TFS heads and cam?

Maybe. How many rpm's are you planning on spinning your motor to? Factory rev limiter on a stock short block? No. Might as well get a box intake upper and a gt40 lower. Both will suck. A 331? Wouldn't be my choice unless you were running a bunch of boost. A 408? Yep. That'll do it. However, with enough boost, it'll work on a small motor as long as it can spin up.

408WBlackCoupe · Jun 10, 2011

I would get a Performer RPM (1500-6500) have it drilled and have injector bungs put in it. Take them your fuel rail and injectors. Most machine shops will do it for you. Then take it home put it on, bolt the Throttle body it on and go. That's if your just wanting that look. I am looking at a Spyder Intake my self for my 331 turbo project.

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FastDriver · Jun 10, 2011

I don't believe the possible internet myth that boost on a small displacement motor makes bigger than normal and/or short runner intakes like the TFS-R w/ box, the spider, victor, or Hurricane more preferable. I'd like to see any documentation or logic explaining why boosted motors of a given displacement will see better results with high flow/high rpm intakes than their non-boosted counterparts.

All boost does is compress and heat air. The volume of air moved in a given amount of time is still identical to the non-boosted motor. The only argument that even seems viable to me is that air velocity is reaches the sonic threshold when compressed and doesn't when not compressed because the threshold may be lower with compressed or heated air. I'm not sure that this is the case, and would need details to support this.

FastDriver · Jun 10, 2011

Disregard. I'll post this in talk so I don't derail this thread: http://www.stangnet.com/mustang-for...propriate-boosted-motors-why.html#post8453536

ratio411 · Jun 10, 2011

408WBlackCoupe said:
I would get a Performer RPM (1500-6500) have it drilled and have injector bungs put in it. Take them your fuel rail and injectors. Most machine shops will do it for you. Then take it home put it on, bolt the Throttle body it on and go. That's if your just wanting that look. I am looking at a Spyder Intake my self for my 331 turbo project.

-= CPR - Fuel Injection - Pro Mustang Spyder Intakes, Fuel Lines, Fuel Rails and Power Elbow for Small and Big Block Fords. Pump more air into your engine! =-

Another thing that I would comment on is that dual plane intakes are supposed to be useless in port EFI applications. By useless, I mean that the extra low end affect you get from dual plane intakes is said to be non-existant in port EFI situations. Again, this is just what I have studied on the subject, I could be wrong. Think about it though... carb'd cars came from the factory for decades with dual plane intakes. The INSTANT that the cars got port injection, all the intakes were single plane.

I was told by some good sources not to ever bother with a DP intake on a port injected conversion. That the SP intakes are far superior and there is no torque loss as there is supposed to be with SP intake when carb'd.

You have to look at runner diameter and length as the tuning factors in a port EFI engine, where as with carbs you also must look at plenum volume and SP vs DP. The EFIs supposedly don't react the same to those last 2 factors.

Just another .02
Don't take my word.
Check out how many top notch engine builders use DP intakes on EFI conversions. Check out how many auto manufacturers use DP intakes on port injection... none.

Edit:
I just remembered why changing plenum volume and dual plane intakes don't 'work' with port EFI....
Because both of these factors change the vacuum signal immediately beneath the carb, causing it to react differently in it's job of fuel metering and react differently as to how fast it can get the fuel flow changes to the combustion chamber. Since EFI shoots the fuel already metered into the intake port, the variance in plenum sizes or the use of a DP intake no longer means anything. At this point, the DP intake, with it's many bends and twists to cram the runners in a layout that is at best a compromise, just becomes a restriction to EFI.

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