New platform

oh9mustang · Sep 5, 2009

197 been around now for 6 years and all that has changed is the tail lights. I need a new Mustang. All I ask is to make it smaller and keep the hockey stick.
Maybe a coupe would be nice.

NotQuik · Sep 5, 2009

yep and it probably will be for a few more years. If you think about it Fox was around from 79-93 then sn95 was around from 94-04. It's still selling and not everybody is subjective to a big change.

'08GTcaRED · Sep 6, 2009

Didn't the whole undercarriage change for the '10s? As well as the hood and the rear end? What about the glassback option for the '09 and '10s? Or were you more looking for appearance wise 0h9?

oh9mustang · Sep 6, 2009

First the SN95 was from 94 to 98, 5 years. The new edge was from 99 to 04
6 years. the 197 is from 05 to 2010 6 years.
I really don't care what they do with the styling, just make it different, as different as the change was from 04 to 05 or 98 to 99 or 93 to 94 or the Mustang II or the classic . A lot of people like the 197, that's nice, a lot of people liked the new edge. Ford is not going to make a bad mustang when they do decide to change, but change they will, I'm just saying get on with it. I personally would like to keep the same style but make it smaller, The Fox size would be nice. That would look more like a 67-68 fastback, and then also make a coupe.

BlownFiveLiter · Sep 6, 2009

oh9mustang said:
First the SN95 was from 94 to 98, 5 years.

SN95 was from 94-04. The chassis is the same, it was just reskinned. Aero and new edge are terms that were coined by enthusiasts, not internally from Ford.

oh9mustang · Sep 6, 2009

Matt, Matt, Matt
I looked it up for ya. Here are the different platforms.

1999 Ford Mustang: The New Edge Mustang (part 1) - MustangForums.com

1994-1998 Ford Mustang Post Fox Body Pre New Edge SN95 History: GT, Cobra, Engine, and Performance - MustangForums.com

Not even close to each other.

NotQuik · Sep 6, 2009

StangGT1995 said:
SN95 was from 94-04. The chassis is the same, it was just reskinned. Aero and new edge are terms that were coined by enthusiasts, not internally from Ford.

yep just like the 2010 was reskinned but yet it's the same s197 chassis...dig alittle deeper and don't believe every internet article you read oh9mustang. 99-04 = SN95 platform which is also considered the new edge for obvious reasons due to the exterier changes, find me an article where FORD named it the newedge....maybe we should call the 2010 the new edge s197

You maybe want to become a member of sn95forums.com if you'd truely like to know.

oh9mustang · Sep 6, 2009

Mustangs from 79-2004 all had the Fox Platform, which was just a shortened Fairmont chassis. 94-98 had the same basic chassis as the 99-2004 and the 79-93.
The SN95 started in 94 but was not the platform, Fox 4 is the platform. The 94 to 2004 was also called the Fox-4 platform. And yes FORD never assigned New Edge to the still Fox 4 1999 mustang. Just like the S197 is not the platform it's DC2. The code name was S197 and SN95.

I’m not sure what’s right or wrong, I do Know that a 98 and 99 look very different and had to be called something different.

bdcardinal · Sep 6, 2009

oh9mustang said:
I’m not sure what’s right or wrong, I do Know that a 98 and 99 look very different and had to be called something different.

94-04 are SN95 to Ford. in clubs the 99-04 are called New Edge.

DarkFireGT · Sep 7, 2009

The body style won't drastically change until 2014, I believe it is. As stated previously, the 2010 was just a refresh, just like the 1999 was. The 2010+ is still S197, just like the 1999-2004 is still a SN95.

GreyDiesel · Sep 7, 2009

you know, think it may have been GM that invented the idea of a new style car for each model year. As that became expensive, it evolved into a new style car for every 4-6 years. I am not sure it is all that necessary. GM only did it so people would buy new cars.

Think of how many times a total body restyle has ruined a car. I think subtle changes from year to year would be better. Look at the porsche 911. Same body style since 1963.

You start with something that works. Which, ideally would have been the 65 mustang, but since that is long gone, we can start with the S197. Then make small improvements as necessary. Because Ford stuck with the S197, they were able to offer a good interior (for once) in the 2010s. Next will come an even better engine, then an even better suspension, etc. etc. and by 2020 you'll have a real ferrari killer. (okay, maybe just a porsche killer)

Instead, Ford will redesign the S197 in 2014, to something new and odd. And we will all hate it for a time, and it will have bugs, and they wont be worked out until 2019.

The Fang · Sep 7, 2009

2014=50th anniversary

oh9mustang · Sep 7, 2009

SN95 and S197 are code names, the Platforms are Fox 4 and DC2.

I just think the car is to big. And the Mayans say we are all going to die December 2012, so the mustang wont re tool in 2014.

Move the radiator closer to the engine and all that stuff that is past the radiator, cut it off. Make the thing about a foot shorter in the front.
Make a coupe and then shorten the trunk length at least 6". That would be my car.

SpartaPerformance · Sep 7, 2009

The next generation Mustang will be released in 2014 for the 50th anniversary however rumors have it that it may just be a redone s-197 due to $$$$

Five Oh Brian · Sep 7, 2009

oh9mustang said:
I need a new Mustang. All I ask is to make it smaller and keep the hockey stick.
Maybe a coupe would be nice.

Last time that happened was in 1973 when the 1974 Mustang II came out. Lee Iacocca's "Little Jewel," as he called it. And they even offered a coupe (base or Ghia). I sure hope history does NOT repeat itself!

oh9mustang · Sep 7, 2009

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They don't make a platform that small anymore (pinto) But if they did, and kept all the suspension of the DC2 platform and engine, that would also be my car. That's not a fair comparison, the II was a peace of Craaap as far as mustangs go. A smaller DC2 platform with the same body stile wouldn't be a peace of Craaap.

NotQuik · Sep 7, 2009

it all comes down to personal preference...i'd rather not see the mustang be made smaller. I feel more comfortable in the s197 than I do my 95 as far as size goes. If you want a smaller car get a focus and stuff the 3v in the fender wells and call it a day Also thank you for the correction for the platform names, it's been a while since i've heard or seen them refered to as that and you sir are correct.

oh9mustang · Sep 8, 2009

I don't drive a 4 door car, even a focus with a 3v. Size matters, I like the 79 notch for size.

DarkFireGT · Sep 8, 2009

oh9mustang said:
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They don't make a platform that small anymore (pinto) But if they did, and kept all the suspension of the DC2 platform and engine, that would also be my car. That's not a fair comparison, the II was a peace of Craaap as far as mustangs go. A smaller DC2 platform with the same body stile wouldn't be a peace of Craaap.

That "piece of crap" introduced the 5.0L to the Mustang world, introduced a new suspension system that is still in use today, was Motortrend's Car of the Year, tripled the sales numbers from the previous year, and of course, it kept the Mustang name alive. They sold over a million of them. Hardly a piece of crap. The right car for the right time.

Five Oh Brian · Sep 8, 2009

oh9mustang said:
5 0
They don't make a platform that small anymore (pinto) But if they did, and kept all the suspension of the DC2 platform and engine, that would also be my car. That's not a fair comparison, the II was a peace of Craaap as far as mustangs go. A smaller DC2 platform with the same body stile wouldn't be a peace of Craaap.

By today's standards, the 1974-8 Mustang II is a piece of craaap. However, it was a good car for its intended purpose and place in history. Just about any car built during that same era was awful.

I actually like to looks of the Mustang II (but only as a hatchback). My first car (way back in 1982) was a 1975 Mustang II Mach 1. The Fox-bodied Mustangs had only recently come out, and II's were everywhere. Through some well executed mods, I was able to shave more than 4 seconds off my '75 Mach 1's 1/4 mile times.

A smaller Mustang around 2800 to 3000 lbs, with a 300-400hp V8 engine and styling cues of the classic Mustangs would be an awesome accomplishment in this era of safety & infotainment craaaap weighing down our ponies. Make mine an "LX" V8 - basic on the outside, but fast, fast, fast!

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