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Hi im new to the forum. I just got a 1987 fox 5.0 5 speed and it is a huge b**** to get it into first and second. You push the clutch put it in first (it feel's like it went into first) and let out on the clutch and it grinds. If you slam it back and forth for a wile and hold it in first as hard as you can and feather the clutch you might get it to stick first but it feel's like it has a viberation and second is just as bad. 3rd threw R work fine. Also some one didnt hook the mass air back up and i cant find the harness with the plug to plug it back in... any one know were it is located?
The car has lots of problems and this is my first ford but im wanting to fix it up right. Thank you guys for any help you can give me.
 

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Welcome to the forums. 1987 5.0 do not have mass air. Sounds like somebody got the mass air just didn't install the harness and the computer. Get a harness and computer and it should work. If it is not hooked up and the car starts and idles then they just put a meter. Check the clutch quadrant and if not sounds like the tranny is starting to crap out. How many miles on the car?
 
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Its got like 127,000+?? sry for the dumb question but what the clutch quadrant?

About the mass air. The car is running like crap and i just figured that was the problem but.... The car is guttless, when holding a speed it spits and sputters and if you jab the gas a few times it will clear up for a min then come right back. It does better when gaining speed (still no power) but cuts out when held at a constant rpm.

What would i have to do to install new computer? will the harness that is there plug into it or will i have to run a whole new one? and is there any advantages to doing this.

I have always worked on carb. cars with auto tranny's and this is my first stick/computer car.
thank you for all your help and info
 
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I lost 1st in my trans, i would put it in gear and it would pop out of gear and it would grind into second, i ended up getting a whole new one because it needed a rebuild which cost a lot of money already.
 

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The 1979-2004 Mustangs use a cable operated clutch mechanism. The quadrant is attached to the upper part of the clutch pedal arm. It made of plastic and has a ratcheting self adjusting mechanism. The plastic ratchet parts sometimes strip and cause problems getting the clutch to disengage. The standard plan is to replace the plastic parts with metal parts of your choice. I recommend that you buy all of the metal parts from the same manufacturer so that they work in harmony with each other. Steeda, Maximum Motorsports, Ford Racing and UPR all make quadrant replacement kits. Do a Google search on the brand names to find the Web sites and catalogs.

The temporary fix for the clutch quadrant is to reach down and pull up on the clutch pedal. This rachets the self adjuster and tightens the cable. If the quadrant ratchet mechanism is bad, this doesn't work.

Don't replace the computer or wiring harness until you have spent some time troubleshooting the stuff you have. Computers seldom fail, it is usually a sensor or wiring problem. The Speed Density system that came with the 86-88 Mustangs is good for cars without pressurized induction, big cams or aftermarket heads. You only need a Mass Air conversion if you have these items or plan on adding them in the near future.

Here's a book that will get you started with how the Ford electronic engine control or "computer" works.

Ford Fuel Injection & Electronic Engine Control 1988-1993 by Charles Probst :ISBN 0-8376-0301-3.

It's about $25-$35 from Borders.com see Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more . Select books and then select search. Use the ISBN number (without dashes or spaces) to do a search

Use the ISBN number and your local library can get you a loaner copy for free. Only thing is you are limited to keeping the book for two weeks. It is very good, and I found it to be very helpful.


If you need some help with your automotive electrical skills, try Automotive Online Instruction for a beginning course. The course is very good and best of all, it is FREE!!!

If you have a mass air conversion, disconnecting the computer will set the code 66. If no code 66 with the mass air sensor disconnected, then someone stuck a mass air meter in there for decoration.


See http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/onlineorder/product.asp to download a FREE service manual for T5 or Tremec 3550/TKO
You will need the Adobe Acrobat viewer which is also a free download – http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

See http://www.hanlonmotorsports.com/ or http://www.ddperformance.com for parts

A T5 rebuild kit with syncros, bearings and other small parts costs about $160-$200. It does not include any gears or shafts.

http://www.hanlonmotorsports.com/ also has a video on how to rebuild your T5 or Tremec. It costs about $20, and is worth every penny of it.


Dumping The computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 19-May-2009 to update drawing for dumping the codes on 86-88 Mustangs with no check engine light.

Dump the codes and see what the computer says is wrong…Codes may be present in the computer even if the Check Engine light isn’t on.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems.

Codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 
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thanks jrichker that was LOTS of help. When i hook up my multi meter what do i look for? Do i count 12v spikes? with the car running?
 
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Also i noticed with the hood up engine running in neutral you can see the clutch fork shaking up and down and some times it shakes so hard that you can hear a knocking sound. Also i noticed that it has a new clutch cable that is adjustable on the fork end. ( they all may have this i dont know) but the tranny acts like its the sincro's. I can put it in neutral to get the tranny spinning and then put it in first realy fast and 1/3 times you can get it in. But there is prob. more to it b/c if you are just creaping with no gas some times it will fall out of gear. I need to quit griping about it and just yank it out. i guess im hoping for a ezfix lol i never get that lucky.
 

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thanks jrichker that was LOTS of help. When i hook up my multi meter what do i look for? Do i count 12v spikes? with the car running?
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Unless you have a graphing multimeter or oscilloscope, you will not be able to see or accurately measure the pulses.

The adjustment nut on the clutch cable may be the fix for your problems. The OEM cable did not have an adjuster nut on it. You may already have a aftermarket quadrant. Curl up under the dash and look.

See SummitRacing.com for some ideas on what a quadrant and cable kit looks like.

Cable operated clutches are designed for the throwout bearing to constantly ride against the clutch. There is usually 5-10 lbs of preload tension on the cable. This keeps the cable from jumping off or unhooking from the quadrant.
 
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could this be my first and second gear problem? How do i know how to tell when the fork has enuf pressure on it?
 

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If the clutch disk won't stop spinning, the transmission will be very hard, if not impossible to get into gear.

Remove the cover from the clutch arm on the bellhousing. The throwout bearing arm underneath it will be tight against the cable with no slack.
 
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It is almost as tight as it will go (it almost had no threads left anyway) and it whent into 1st three times in a row, so i backed it off the ramp and nothing... so i pulled it back up on the ramps and took out some more threads and couldnt get it into first again. So i got it tighter and there is no more adjustment left. I dont know anything about doing this but i can guess that it shouldnt need all of the threads.
 
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i also noticed that it goes into first everytime when i get home from work when its cold.
 
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