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66Satellite · Jan 14, 2004

Has there been ANY mention of a possible notchback in the future?

Also, does anyone know if the rear seat folds down in the 05?

RTGreen · Jan 14, 2004

66Satellite said:
Has there been ANY mention of a possible notchback in the future?

Also, does anyone know if the rear seat folds down in the 05?

It would be nice if they developed a light weight "notch", but I doubt Ford would spend the money on the project. I would like to see a photochop of the current stang in "notch" form.

vyto2 · Jan 14, 2004

I think topnotch or chazcron have some chops of notchbacks, I have some on my site too, look for the california specials. I think the rear seat folds down, there's a big split in them that makes it look like you can fold them down one half at a time.

Ron Jeremy · Jan 14, 2004

Notchbacks look ugly.

rhumbline · Jan 14, 2004

Nawtch, I hope not, I don't think they look particularly sporty and would rather Ford spend its resources on other things that would further improve the Mustang's performance, whether quantitatively or qualitatively, or both.

Ron Jeremy · Jan 14, 2004

I agree 100% rhumbline. They are NOT sporty looking, but plain ugly. They also look disproportionate.

KnRs88 · Jan 14, 2004

A notchback would be cool, but the fastbacks are better.

chazcron · Jan 14, 2004

Notchies dilute the essence of this Stang, they don't work on this body the way they did in the 60's.

66Satellite · Jan 14, 2004

Ron Jeremy said:
Notchbacks look ugly.

Ugly is subjective. But objectively, they are lighter and (generally) cheaper (both good things IMO). I much prefer the look of the 87-93 notch cars to the hatchbacks, and think the original 64 notch looks great. I think if done right it could look good on the new body style.

realtripp · Jan 14, 2004

I dont think that notches are ugly, they are good in their own right. They are significantly lighter(mine weighs 2700 pounds) and also are more structurally rigid.

The notchback has been part of the Mustang heritage from the start and it would be nice to see a little more variety in the Mustang so people could individualize them a little more.

SVTdriver · Jan 14, 2004

While it might be nice. I don't think Ford will invest the money in designing one. At least not for a few years.

ZStanger · Jan 14, 2004

I can picture it, I think it would look sweet. But adding to the 2005+ design bill, I don't think Ford will take the time or money to develop one.

rhumbline · Jan 15, 2004

realtripp said:
I dont think that notches are ugly, they are good in their own right. They are significantly lighter(mine weighs 2700 pounds) and also are more structurally rigid.

The notchback has been part of the Mustang heritage from the start and it would be nice to see a little more variety in the Mustang so people could individualize them a little more.

I don't think a notchback is neccesarily any lighter than a non-hatch fastback, nor enherently any more rigid.

While the Fox body cars were lighter and probably a bit stiffer in notchback form vs their hatchback/fastback siblings, I think this was very idiomatic of that chassis in particular for better or for worse.

Of course, most of any potential weight/rigidity discrepacies would depend hugely on the quality and character of the underlying engineering execution. For example, my fastback/hatchback Probe GT is as light and as stiff as its more notchback/trunk MX-6 sibling, as noted both in my own driving experience and various mag articles. But, as noted, the Fox-body Stangs did have a significant discrepancy between the two configurations.

One advantage a fastback would likely have is slightly better aerodynamics, though that too probably depends greatly on the actual design and engineering specifics.

As for aesthetics, I tend to find the more swept and sleek fastback styling to be much more evocative of speed and performance than the more upright, sedan'ish notchback style, but that's just me and to each their own.

Sir Hacksalot · Jan 15, 2004

Ron Jeremy said:
Notchbacks look ugly.

This coming from The Hedgehog! ROFLMAO

Hax

vyto2 · Jan 15, 2004

Someone send Ron Jeremy an electric razor, that back hair has to go! BTW, your great on surreal life, good luck scoring with Tammy Faye!

63_Fairlane · Jan 15, 2004

Hotches are lighter that fastbacks due to the reduced glass area. The stiffness factor only comes into play when you campare notches to hatchbacks. A notch and a fastback will be pretty close in stiffness on the same basic chasis. The hatchback's weakness lies in the lack of a structural member crossing the hatch area compaired to a notch or and fastback.

TampaBear67 · Jan 15, 2004

66Satellite said:
Has there been ANY mention of a possible notchback in the future?

Also, does anyone know if the rear seat folds down in the 05?

Well I Don't Know About Ford But Here's My Photoshop of a California Special Notch Back I Did Right After The Dealer Released Pic Showed Up. And My Take On The Vert Too!

And Yes The Rear Seats Fold Down 50/50 Split On The 05.

vyto2 · Jan 15, 2004

Sorry tampa, forgot you did notchbacks too. Here's the one's I did after seeing and being inspired by tampa.

rhumbline · Jan 15, 2004

63_Fairlane said:
Hotches are lighter that fastbacks due to the reduced glass area. The stiffness factor only comes into play when you campare notches to hatchbacks. A notch and a fastback will be pretty close in stiffness on the same basic chasis. The hatchback's weakness lies in the lack of a structural member crossing the hatch area compaired to a notch or and fastback.

The reduction in glass area probably gives some nominal reduction in weight, though probably no more than on the order of 10-20lbs or so. As for stiffness, that is far more influenced by the engineering quality that goes into either configuration rather than inherent benefits.

Any inherent difference between notchbacks and fastbacks (non-hatchback) are probably non-existant while hatchbacks are trickier to design to a said stiffness at a given weight, though it can be done with good engineering and perhaps strut tower braces as on, say, the 350Z, though that of course obviates some of the practical benefits of a hatchback.

Regardless, a notchback's upright design simply says staid "sedan" to me versus the fastback's far sleeker profile that has a far stronger performance personna to me.

TampaBear67 · Jan 15, 2004

vyto2 said:
Sorry tampa, forgot you did notchbacks too. Here's the one's I did after seeing and being inspired by tampa.

Hey Vyto, Thanks For The Compliment! I Started To Do The Vert First But The Notch Just Seemed Like A Natural To Do! The Classic Stang Lineup Was Always a 3 Car Lineup, The Coupe and Vert Came First Then The Fastback. I Have A Question, How Do You Get The Images To Show In The Post? I Just Did Get Online Here To Be Able To Post, and It's A Bit Different Than Brad's Site. Any Word On When His Forums Will Be Back Up and Running?

Here's The Vert Top Down I Did.[ url]http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17181[ /url]

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