OFF TOPIC: Anyone take or ever take Promagnon-25

i just read the discription...and where it says eat 1g of protine for every lb of body weight seems kinda strange...i would imagine doing that alone would make you gain hella weight. might be just me though

CAMAROEATER01 said:

thanks mob...its hard for me to gain weight....im a college swimmer...i practice two-three times a day.... and i only have the ability to eat 3 squares a day.

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You do realize that all the steroids in the world are only going to do 'so much' with a terrible muscle-building diet plan, right? Besides, any gains you get you'll lose if you don't start eating to support them. The most common cause of not gaining weight? Not eating enough to support muscle growth, plain and simple.

I don't mean to sound harsh but by reading your statements it's clear that you really have no idea about these steroid precursors. They are NOT FOR YOU.

I'd imagine as a swimmer you want to stay quite lean, right? There's ways to bulk up and gain a bit of extra at along with the muscle, and there's way to minimize fat gain (this way is, of course, longer and tougher).

Anyway, set a 6-8 meal per day diet full of clean, healthy calories and monitor protein/carb/fat (PCF) intake daily. Eat the same exact things every day if you have to (I set my diet as per my goals at the time and eat the same damn thing every day until it all needs tweaking) and you'll gain. You don't even need supplements . They have their place but realize they are SUPPLEMENTAL to a proper diet. Without that, you've got nothing. Most gains obtained will be lost due to improper nutrition shortly after. that's why everyone goes around saying 'yea, (such-n-such) works but i lost all my gains once i stopped it.' Reason? Not eating to support it. It's all in the diet, end of story, no questions. Ask any bodybuilder in the world the importance of diet and you'll see what I mean.

To figure what amount of calories you'll need, understand BMR. Basal Metabolic Rate is the amount of calories your body uses up just 'being'. Do the math: BMR = 66 + (13.7 x weight in kg) + (5 x height in cm) - (6.8 x age). 20% above that is primo for putting on lean weight (whereas 20% less would be a good starting point to maintain muscle mass and shed fat - again, in both, a proper diet of natural foods is key).

...or say "screw that" and take chemicals which you don't understand and **** yourself up. No one likes to do things the hard (and safe) way. I guarantee you if you dose ProMagnon all the way through without proper post cycle therapy (yes, it does have steroid properties) to get your test levels kicking again, you are going to be quite displeased with the effects it has on your body. Namely estrogen production among possible others. Trust me. That's not to say you can't BE safe using steroids, precursors, or anything of the like, but you have to KNOW what you're doing. Not understanding that this compound IS of steroidal nature, you simply don't come off as knowing what you're doing.

Now of course, what I suggested isn't the only way to gain muscle. There's people who put on muscle more easily than others, and other variables that help/hinder. BUT if the there's a quicker/better/safe way as a general rule to build muscle other than with a finely-tuned diet, the entire world's bodybuilding community would like to hear it

FWIW I'm not going to monitor this thread as I don't want to get sucked into this vs. that with everybody (everyone always wants to). If YOU personally want my help, PM me and I will help.

edit: Also learn to lift FOR muscle gains. It's not 'just' lifting weights and it's not all about X weight for X reps. Lifting is lifting, powerlifting is powerlifting, and bodybuilding is bodybuilding. They are not the same although they are similar. Gaining strength isn't the end-all be-all for gaining muscle, and vice versa. Don't confuse yourself pushing to get XXX weight for XXX reps when you can be spending your time doing other things (drop sets, strip sets, static holds, supersets, ascending/descending sets, etc.) to hammer muscle fibers into oblivion. Now this isn't stuff you do your first months on the job, but it's being said in a way to (hopefully) help you understand more of what there is to building muscle than just taking some stupid **** you see in the store/online.

Final words, which those I train love me for: If everything you see in the stores did what it said it will, everyone would have a magazine cover body.

amen