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Ok... Can't... do... stock...

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DarkFireGT

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As much as I've told myself I'm going to keep it stock when the restoration starts, I just can't do it. It started with toying with the idea of really deep wheels with tubbed out wells, and escalated from there. Definitely going with a 302 and going to do some body mods like custom grills. Here's an idea of what I'd be going for. Of course, the rear wheels would have a deeper lip, but I'm not THAT great at photoshop, and the wheels would be a bit smaller in diameter, with more meat on the tires. But, it's an idea...

 

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Looks good to me!! ;-)
 

Wart

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I understand,

You may want to hold off on cutting metal or doing other irreversable things to the car.

IIRC your II is pretty solid, if you want to SawZall something why not get a rust bucket?
 

Camshaft78

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It's not hard to find a II hatch to cut up if you want to. Your four-cylinder Cobra II is very interesting, unique, and rare in stock form. Just a thought.
 

jeffnoel

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I say do what you want it's your car. From what you said so far it doesn't sound like anything that can't be undone in the future if you change your mind.
 

Wart

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jeffnoel said:
I say do what you want it's your car.
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That is an ultimate truth.


From what you said so far it doesn't sound like anything that can't be undone in the future if you change your mind.
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Tubbed wells?
 

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I agree on the "can't...do...stock..." thought, but also would hate to do something difficult to reverse like cutting sheetmetal, especially on a solid car with a rare engine combo.

But...I can't do stock either, so my '78 Ghia with 2.3L/4-speed/Sport package car will be getting a bunch of mods also...just nothing that requires any cutting. The MII wheel wells will hold significantly larger than stock wheels with the right choice of backspacing.

Here's some ideas for you:

1. Build a hot carburated 2.3L, either with a new 2.5L block and roller cam EFI head or with the original 2.3L block. Use an EFI lower manifold and adapter for a 4bbl with a new EFI head, or use vintage speed parts (Offy 4bbl intake, etc.) on your original head. A header is no big problem with the Ranger shortie or MII 2.3L long-tube header.

2. Build a Turbo 2.3L, using parts right out of a '87-'88 Turbo T-Bird. The battery tray and gas tank is about the only metal you'd have to modify.

3. Use a T-5 in place of the RAD 4-speed.

4. Swap to 5-lugs. The wheels you have pictured look a lot like the old Shelby Cobra (2 seater) (Halibrand?) wheels. They are being duplicated in a range of sizes these days. A set of 17"x8" wheels looks huge in the MII wheel wells.

5. Use a wider rear axle (either 8", 8.8", or 9") to use modern positive offset wheels. A Fox 8.8" rear could be converted to 5-lugs and have leaf spring mounts welded on pretty cheaply. I seem to recall someone offering wider tubular suspension arms also, but I don't know what that would do to your geometry.

My plans are for a high compression 2.3L using the original block and a ported head with roller cam and Ranger shorty header. I found a NOS Offenhouser 4bbl intake and Holley 390 CFM 4bbl carb on eBay last year. I just need a good roller HO roller cam to complete the package.

The carburated 2.3L should make an easy 150 HP, which should move my Ghia pretty well with a 3.55 rear gear. A stock Turbo 2.3L would have about 225 HP, while mildly modified Turbos can make 300 HP. Either should move your CBII pretty well.

Eventually I'll add a T-5 transmission. I have a set of 15"x7" Fox mild positive offset wheels, so I'm hoping I can skip the spacers, but its not likely.
 

jeffnoel

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DarkFireGT said:
It started with toying with the idea of really deep wheels with tubbed out wells, and escalated from there.
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Doesn't say he will do it, just thinking about it.
 

DarkFireGT

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Well the grill I will definitely do. Tubbing I'm not sure. Definitely a wheel upgrade and 5 lug swap. The reason I'm really wanting to change the engine, besides power, is I don't think this one has much left in it. I mean, sure it only has 60,000 miles or so, but it doesn't run all that well. I think sitting for almost 20 years without running probably wasn't good for it, and by the time I pull it and have it completely rebuilt (because I know nothing about rebuilding an engine), I will have spent too much on the engine. Parts seem are ALOT easier found for a 302. And finally the car will never be worth what I put into it, so I'm not looking for resale. I want to be happy with the car, and want a custom. I don't think I'd be happy with bringing it back to stock. I watch way too much Overhaulin' for that
 

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I'm not even sure if I remember what stock is, anymore.
 
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