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mustangfan1990

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a water/meth kit from snow performance. I think it might help my heat soaking problem with the S/C. I know they make 3 different stages. Which stage would be best for my setup? Now I would assume that stage 3 is the best but you know I dont want overkill and get stuff that I really dont need. Which kit do you think would best fit my setup?
 

capri debris

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I think you're wasting your money.

Lot's of guys are running SC's without intercoolers and don't have any problems with power dropping off. I think you either have an imagined problem or something not related to heat soaking.

Has the car been dyno tuned? If not, that is your first mistake.
 

mustangfan1990

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capri debris said:
I think you're wasting your money.

Lot's of guys are running SC's without intercoolers and don't have any problems with power dropping off. I think you either have an imagined problem or something not related to heat soaking.

Has the car been dyno tuned? If not, that is your first mistake.
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uhh i have got it dynotuned and just sitting on the dyno it lost 30 hp from getting hot. it could be an imagined problem but it just felt alot stronger when I first left the dyno.
 

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Waste of money.
Buy the aftercooler setup if you want to buy something.

An SC'ed car is not going to make the same hp in all conditions.
 

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Buy and aftercooler for it.
 
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Snow stage two kit is nice. Dont really thing you need it though.
 
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Heres some simple facts...

One way ford controls detonation is by reducing timing when iat's go up. Since you have a blower your iat's are going to be much higher. Your custom dyno tune should include extra timing reduction once your iat's reach a certain level generally 150degrees and it should start pulling lots of timing to keep your motor in one piece. Most of the so called "conservative tuners" will do this. I would look at it as a customer satisfaction issue. Dont want to have a customer keep replacing motors so they can see few extra hp on the dyno now do we? Also when you start pulling timing you obviously loose power.


if you go water meth you will have to be re-tuned for water-meth combination this will be a stop gap measure as it will only help when your under boost since these generally only work during wot or once the maf voltage reaches a certain level, generally under load during wot.

Meth will on average reduce your IAT temps <which are totaly different from your engine coolant temps> by about 40-50degrees. This will result in horsepower increase in itself but if not PROPERLY tuned for it will cause a rich fuel mixture. Now the downside to this is that if you tune for this combo and you run out of meth your fuxxored if you get into it.

You need to intercool that thing. If im not mistaken you got the cheap vortech unit which if im not mistaken is designed to run between 8-10lbs of boost. Yes it will make more but it leaves its efficiency range which results in added heat. Sometimes more boost isnt always better.

There was recently a 95 gt at TDS that went from 10lbs to 13lbs on his vortech and the car actually lost power due to the added heat from being out of its efficiency range and especially with no innercooler. With iat's as high as they will hit on setup like this any sensible tuner would pull timing to keep the car from detonating that you would end up loosing alot of power. But sometimes you cant explain this to people that your trying to save them from having to replace a motor its like

The engine coolant temps are best around 170degrees this is where most of these cars are designed to run and generally if they are cooler than this they will actually start to add fuel into the mixture. This is like when you crank a car you have whats called cold start fuel trims which add more fuel to allow for ease of cranking as well as help the car heat up. Alot of your good tuners will keep a car over nite to allow them to dial in these factors as well as others such as hot starts , idling, drivability issues and all these good things.

moral of the story meth isnt going to be the godsend you or others think it is.

You need an intercooler and need to turn the wick down some but then again dan shouldve already told you this
 
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