65ShelbyClone said:I'l admit upfront that I'm in the crowd that values nice original examples staying nice original examples. However, every rule has exceptions. I don't know anything about that blue car or the person who built it, but I can think of several reasons to chop up a classic car. Suppose the floor and cowl was rotted out. How many smallblock notchbacks are worth restoring when half the car would be patch panels? Suppose the original got the front end wiped off in a crash. Suppose it was a clean car, but just a rolling shell that needed everything but sheetmetal.
I didn't hear anyone dogging on the '70 fastback that only had the body and part of the frame as original parts. No one seems to bitch about the SN65 which is a '65 fastback on an '03 Cobra chassis. The only idfference between any of them is that the blue car is a less valuable notchback and isn't as pretty. Hmm.....form over function, isn't that a ricer thing?
Just food for thought.
Stanger'66 said:Just because it is a race car doesn't mean it has to be ugly. That car is hideous... Why couldn't he have started with some PIECE if he was going to butcher it like that. Those german touring car flares look nothing like that crap he put on his car. They look like they took about a half an hour a piece, because they probably did. Oh, and those vintage road racers don't even look close to his car. Those cars look nearly stock minus a couple of sponsor's stickers. What I am trying to say is that he could have made a tasteful race car but instead he butchered the car to the point where it is unsalvageable. I restore these cars and it would be WAAAAY more work for me to properly restore a car to original than to chop it up like him. It is obvious that there was no time spent on that body. Someone said that he did this under a carport with almost no tools, and it is clearly evident.He might have a killer suspension and engine in it but it is still ugly. No worries though, it makes me feel even better that his first failed attempt had no price, he just ruined a fastback, thats all. If his coupe looks like this, and he is keeping it, I don't want to know what the fastback looks like that he sold. The real question is, why would you post pictures of this on the internet, I would be ashamed. Oh well, it seems the general consensus is GO PRESTON, KEEP CHOPPIN' THOSE CLASSIC STANGS UP IN THE NAME OF....ughhh, UNIQUENESS! I don't want to be alone either, so I'll have to say that it is a piece of "art", and that I wish my car was just like his...
Stanger'66 said:Just because it is a race car doesn't mean it has to be ugly. That car is hideous... Why couldn't he have started with some PIECE if he was going to butcher it like that. Those german touring car flares look nothing like that crap he put on his car. They look like they took about a half an hour a piece, because they probably did. Oh, and those vintage road racers don't even look close to his car. Those cars look nearly stock minus a couple of sponsor's stickers. What I am trying to say is that he could have made a tasteful race car but instead he butchered the car to the point where it is unsalvageable. I restore these cars and it would be WAAAAY more work for me to properly restore a car to original than to chop it up like him. It is obvious that there was no time spent on that body. Someone said that he did this under a carport with almost no tools, and it is clearly evident.He might have a killer suspension and engine in it but it is still ugly. No worries though, it makes me feel even better that his first failed attempt had no price, he just ruined a fastback, thats all. If his coupe looks like this, and he is keeping it, I don't want to know what the fastback looks like that he sold. The real question is, why would you post pictures of this on the internet, I would be ashamed. Oh well, it seems the general consensus is GO PRESTON, KEEP CHOPPIN' THOSE CLASSIC STANGS UP IN THE NAME OF....ughhh, UNIQUENESS! I don't want to be alone either, so I'll have to say that it is a piece of "art", and that I wish my car was just like his...
Stanger'66 said:Oh well, it seems the general consensus is GO PRESTON, KEEP CHOPPIN' THOSE CLASSIC STANGS UP IN THE NAME OF....ughhh, UNIQUENESS! I don't want to be alone either, so I'll have to say that it is a piece of "art", and that I wish my car was just like his...
mtbdoc said:Funny to read the crap from a bunch of guys that think 2v-289 w/ stock suspension is all anyone needs to drive. When I bought my 66 'vert in '79, there just wasn't ANYBODY around doing much for performance, so I played with what I could.
Cars are built to be DRIVEN!!! Better engine, suspension, tires, brakes...only adds to the experience. I just regret that I don't have enough time and $$ to build AND drive all that I'd like.
I will be looking for the "don't you dare" police to come and arrest me: the 800hp blown engine goes in soon...and, for what it's worth, I'd rather the front NOT have the appearance impacted by the huge intercooler...but performance comes first.
Also: feeling stout? Go over to corner-carvers.com and post your opinions...they will be warmly received!
Also: feeling stout? Go over to corner-carvers.com and post your opinions...they will be warmly received !
Stanger'66 said:Why would I want to go talk to a wall when I can do that here... I have no problem with suspension/drivetrain upgrades, or even some custom modifications, but keep it tasteful. That car didn't bother me any more than any other, I see rednecks do that kind of stuff all the time. I just thought that this board had better discretion than to applaud that level of workmanship...(not mechanical workmanship but body)
Edit: I don't want to argue about it with you guys. I just had to vent. Negative return comments aren't needed as I probably won't return to read them.
Funny to read the crap from a bunch of guys that think 2v-289 w/ stock suspension is all anyone needs to drive.
Too bad I am modifying my '66.
Stanger'66 said:Why would I want to go talk to a wall when I can do that here... I have no problem with suspension/drivetrain upgrades, or even some custom modifications, but keep it tasteful. That car didn't bother me any more than any other, I see rednecks do that kind of stuff all the time. I just thought that this board had better discretion than to applaud that level of workmanship...(not mechanical workmanship but body)
Edit: I don't want to argue about it with you guys. I just had to vent. Negative return comments aren't needed as I probably won't return to read them.
Funny to read the crap from a bunch of guys that think 2v-289 w/ stock suspension is all anyone needs to drive.
Too bad I am modifying my '66.
As much as people like to believe it, posts do not make someone more knowledgable than another. I periodically drop in on the board to read various posts just because my interest is classic Mustangs. I actually purchased my 66 on this site 6 months ago, so I am not new to the site. Actually seeing the suspension/drivetrain modification helped me gain respect for it, but I still feel like maybe a different car may have been a better choice, but hey, I guess I should lighten up, its his car.How do you come in here with 3 posts and start preaching about someone elses preferences.
I am not trying to call you out, but I definitely believe that I have done more metalwork than you have done or care to hear about. That is why I was disgusted to see you guys applaud his body mods. I have been doing metal/custom work for over four years now, and I am only 17. I have been heavily involved in the building of a '64 427 Thunderbolt clone Fairlane, a chopped Model A street rod, and a '49 Ford custom. I did ALL of the metal work on these cars and about 50% of the bodywork. In other words, I completely realize how much work is involved in shaping metal and I am used to spending hours on panels that end up in the trash. In all of this I have failed to mention all of the metal work done on the '66. I have replaced a quarter, two lower quarters, an outer wheelhouse, two lower front fenders(with supports), and miscellaneous other smaller patches. I have spent all evenings and weekends welding/hammering/stripping paint for the last six months so I know what it takes to make a show winner. My life is basically dedicated to two things right now, cars and my education.I think some people watch too much TV. I know they are an hour show, but do you think that maybe it takes weeks or even months to finish some pieces on the cars/bikes. Jesse James makes sheet metal fab look easy, but how many hour has he spent hammering on stuff only to through it away and start over.
Stanger'66 said:As much as people like to believe it, posts do not make someone more knowledgable than another.
Stanger'66 said:As much as people like to believe it, posts do not make someone more knowledgable than another. I periodically drop in on the board to read various posts just because my interest is classic Mustangs. I actually purchased my 66 on this site 6 months ago, so I am not new to the site. Actually seeing the suspension/drivetrain modification helped me gain respect for it, but I still feel like maybe a different car may have been a better choice, but hey, I guess I should lighten up, its his car.
I hadn't seen the suspension or drivetrain of Preston's car until now, and I appluad what has been done beneath the body. It really is amazing. I still say that he could have spent more time on the body, but if he doesn't care, then I guess thats all that matters. Argument over.
Stanger'66 said:.....I definitely believe that I have done more metalwork than you have done or care to hear about...... I have been doing metal/custom work for over four years now, and I am only 17.
No, not saying I know everything, far from it. I am just saying that I have spent a fair amount of time in a less than optimal workplace restoring and modifying cars. My dad's '68 restoration got me into the hobby but I really wasn't able to work on it much, just painting the engine, engine bay, and interior. I guess we all have to start somewhere though, right? I then began a simple repaint of a '28 Model A coupe with the strict supervision of a seasoned hobbyist. This work simply consisted of wetsanding, wetsanding, and more messy wetsanding on weekends and holidays. No pictures as he is a fairly close friend and I see the car all the time. The next project was the '49 Ford which was a basket case of rust and was really my first shot at welding and fabrication. I learned gas and mig welding on this car. Here is a picture...(sadly, the only one I took pictures of)Ahh, 17 and you know it all. How do you know you've done more metalwork than him? Lets see some of these 'restored' cars you've done? I'm particularly interested in the T-bolt clone as I'm building a NSS legal '63 Fairlane that will look similar to a Pre-bolt clone.
I like to say that I do 75% metalwork and 25% filler work. I would like to be, but am not good enough yet to skip the plastic completely. I use enough filler to make a smooth transition, but never more than .25" thick. I follow that with dry guide coat, a good 2k polyester putty, and a good 2k primer. I am a big fan of Marcel's and wish to someday be at his level(but not professionally). I do not charge by the hour, I charge by the job. The Fairlane was a $4500 job but it wasn't real involved. I should mention that the oldman took nearly all of that, I just wanted experience. I loved the SN65 project car and followed it all the way through the build. The car was outstanding but I must say that I didn't care for the color choice. I would have chosen black myself.How much bondo (if any) do you typically use. I'm not saying that you can't do the work that comes out of Marcel DeLay's shop, but the likelyhood is very small. What do you charge per hour? I suppose you also can't stand the SN65 car (which is on the cover of the August edition of Hot Rod and incidently won the ISCA Detroit Autorama 2006 Outstanding Engineered Award).
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