Paintaint OEM Bullitts

Xcessiv · Mar 6, 2008

Hey!

I plan on paintaing my OEM Bullitts in black. I bought all the necessary material:
- Duplicolor pre-paint cleaner
- Duplicolor black primer
- Duplicolor high performance wheel coating - Satin Black (HWP104)
- Duplicolor high performance wheel coating - Clear (HWP103)
- 200 to 600 grit wet dry paper

1) For people who already did this, do you have any tip?
2) I'm 99% sure it's the case, but before starting everything... satin black + clear = glossy black, right? The cap (color preview) is clearly flat black, which kind of worries me.

[BlackDiamond] · Mar 6, 2008

*Painting.

CobraRed_96_GT · Mar 6, 2008

pretty sure you need gloss black for the look of gloss black. I think satin will look like satin, just feel like gloss with the clear.

As for painting, what my bro and I did was use the commonly preformed index card technique. No need to mask off the tire, just wedge index cards vertically all around the rim sandwiched between the tire and the wheel lip.

ceracer33 · Mar 6, 2008

im not 100% on this but i would think clear over flat black would make gloss black. i know black base coat when painting cars is flat black and when u spray the clear on over it, it becomes glossy. i would spray a little onto a piece of paper or something to be certain.

Xcessiv · Mar 7, 2008

ceracer33 said:
im not 100% on this but i would think clear over flat black would make gloss black. i know black base coat when painting cars is flat black and when u spray the clear on over it, it becomes glossy. i would spray a little onto a piece of paper or something to be certain.

That's exactly my opinion. All base coats are flat/satin... But I'm not a pro so I don't know if this concept applies to wheel spray painting.

bullitt_2620 · Mar 7, 2008

I was thinkin of doin this too, post up them pics when you are done. Good luck.

CobraRed_96_GT · Mar 7, 2008

Xcessiv said:
That's exactly my opinion. All base coats are flat/satin... But I'm not a pro so I don't know if this concept applies to wheel spray painting.

Base coats we sprayed onto my bro's supra were glossy red

ceracer33 · Mar 7, 2008

then it wasnt a base coat. single stage paints are glossy and do not require clear. if its a true base coat it will be dull and require clear to get the shine.

CobraRed_96_GT · Mar 7, 2008

ceracer33 said:
then it wasnt a base coat. single stage paints are glossy and do not require clear. if its a true base coat it will be dull and require clear to get the shine.

maybe it looked glossy cuz it was wet We sprayed many many coats, so im sure it wasn't single stage

ceracer33 · Mar 7, 2008

only takes 2 coats of base, 3 at the most. base coat will have a slight gloss when first applied, but by the time ur ready for ur next coat it will be dull. i bet u sprayed a single stage paint.

screamin gt · Mar 7, 2008

anything you put a gloss clearcoat on will be gloss. period.

if you want satin, you need a satin (flat) clear. never had good results with any clear from a spray can, so good luck. I would find someone who can spray a nice urethane clear over your black. its very strong, chip resistant, etc and not very expensive.

I would guarantee that duplicolor stuff will chip just from having youe tires put on if they arent really really careful.

I did mine last year with urethane and they still look good. easy to clean too. I'm getting new wheels only because those were temporary for me, as a couple were slightly bent.

screamin gt · Mar 7, 2008

CobraRed_96_GT said:
maybe it looked glossy cuz it was wet We sprayed many many coats, so im sure it wasn't single stage

ceracer33 said:
only takes 2 coats of base, 3 at the most. base coat will have a slight gloss when first applied, but by the time ur ready for ur next coat it will be dull. i bet u sprayed a single stage paint.

single stage doesn't mean you only spray one coat. it just means that theres no topcoat going over it, the clear is in the color coat already. it also dries way slower than basecoat due to that.

ceracer33 is correct you would have noticed it get dull withing a matter of minutes if it was not single stage.

also guys, paint is not as expensive as you might think, check out napa's crossfire line. wicked cheap and its good stuff if you can teach yourself how to use it right.

I've won trophies for some bikes I've done with that line, and no one could ever tell the difference if I told em it was house of kolor.

ceracer33 · Mar 7, 2008

nason by dupont also makes a quality base coat for a very reasonable price. i dont like their clear though, i always use dupont 7900 or the chromapremier 72500s clear over the top of it.

CobraRed_96_GT · Mar 7, 2008

ceracer33 said:
only takes 2 coats of base, 3 at the most. base coat will have a slight gloss when first applied, but by the time ur ready for ur next coat it will be dull. i bet u sprayed a single stage paint.

no, it was multiple. I said many because i was talking about the clear too

Xcessiv · Mar 24, 2008

Ok, so I gave the first wheel a try yesterday.

1) I wet sanded with 220, then 400 grit paper in order to remove the clear
2) I cleaned everything with the Duplicolor wax/grease remover
3) I removed all residues with water
4) I applied 3 light coats of primer, let it dry for 1+ hour and lightly wet sanded it with 600 grit paper
5) That's where the problems began. I tried applying really thin coats of black paint with the nozzle around 12 inches away from the wheel, but it seemed to dry extermely unevenly and it looked more silver than black. After 3 small coats, it wasn't any better but I saw one spot being more black/glossy and I remembered putting a bit more paint / with the nozzle nearer (around 8-9 inches). I understood that thinner was not automatically better so I used the good old method "spray nearer until it looks even". After 2 coats, the wheel looked really good but I almost took ¾ of a can for a single wheel. :| I hope it'll get better for the other ones.

Ok, so my questions…
- How much time should I wait before wetsanding the black and applying the clear? The room is at 22-23 degrees Celcius and 50% humidity.
- When wetsanding the "base coast", the paint will obviously look more "flat" with some really minor scratches. Will the clear resolve this or should I avoid wetsanding the base coat?
- There are 2 spots where I applied too much paint. Can I wetsand until it's even? Won't it scratche the surface too much?

Thanks for your help.

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