Pirelli Problems on factory rim? Need comments

[Seminole2001]

Has anyone had their Perillie Nero M+S's (OEM) rotating on the rim?

I think I have a strange problem, at 29k miles the tires, 3/4 of them have started to rotate on the rim, the only sign has been rubber shavings around the lip adjacent to the balancing weights. Of course I have rotated them, and it is occurring on the rear tires. They are wearing better than any, Goodyears, BFG's and Nitto's did on previous cars.

Keep in mind I have never done a burnout in this car.....

Anyone know if the TSB to fix the rear end (clutch packs) would have caused a strange effect on the tires on slow manuevering? It was fixed 2 weeks ago.

The reason I am concerned now is a have a noise when driving near and at 50 MPH coming from the passenger front tire, and to passing cars it appears normal - had a friend verify as he drove beside me; on a 4 lane road of course.

The service person I use here at local Ford delaership is awesome, but if it is a "tire" issue and not a Ford issue, I don't want to waste time in their service department. However properly inflated tires should not rotate on the rim.

I am wondering if the front passenger tire, that was once on the rear, is scewed on the rim, causing a "noise" - possibly the outside rotated and the inside didn't.... anyone have any thoughts?

I hope this causes some good discussion. I don't imagine there are too many 30k mile S197 cars out there.

 

[stanmckinney]

I can't answer your questions but you have some serious problems there. I have a tire guy I trust. If you have one, take your car by and get his opinion.

 

[Unbrdld07]

I have an 05, but only14,000 on it.....but holy crap, I want to know if I'm gonna have problems in the future or if it's just an unlucky thing for you. Let us know what you find out. Thanks

 

[adj86]

I have a 05 with just over 30,000 miles on it. I don't have your problem, but like you said there aren't many GTs with 30,000 on them. Hopefully yours is an isolated incident, but we'll see. I would definitely get that checked out, before something worse happens.

 

[FLY2kGT]

Have you marked the tire and rim or are you just going by the rubber shreds that are visible? Is it possible that the shreds are there as a result of poor tire installation and/or repair? Are there shreds everywhere around the tire or just one spot? Just curious.

 

[Seminole2001]

A friend o fmine told me to use a white grease marker to mark the tire also; the rubber is located just adjacent to the weights.

The shavings aren't a problem as far as appearance; they virtually scrub off, however the noise on the front passenger tire is annoying, especially when I think I am paying for it - only 45,000 miles of warrently left.

I just have a feeling the shavings and the noise are somehow related. My dad says they have been making front end hub's the same way for many years and it would unlikely be the bearing in the front wheel based on the number of miles and suggest to have the tire checked; I was hoping someone on here, with the knowledge base of the forums, would have an idea about the rubber shavings..... just seems strange on a regular radial tire.

 

[Marine One]

A friend o fmine told me to use a white grease marker to mark the tire also; the rubber is located just adjacent to the weights.

The shavings aren't a problem as far as appearance; they virtually scrub off, however the noise on the front passenger tire is annoying, especially when I think I am paying for it - only 45,000 miles of warrently left.

I just have a feeling the shavings and the noise are somehow related. My dad says they have been making front end hub's the same way for many years and it would unlikely be the bearing in the front wheel based on the number of miles and suggest to have the tire checked; I was hoping someone on here, with the knowledge base of the forums, would have an idea about the rubber shavings..... just seems strange on a regular radial tire.

You could try rotating the R/F tire to the R/R to see if the noise follows, then you would at least know for sure that it is the tire/wheel combination.

 

[Seminole2001]

A Tire Kingdom employee has told me that the idea of the tire spinning on the rim is a slim cchance due to todays tires and rim manufacturing methods, he said in the 50's or 60's it would have been possible but not in modern times.

He told me since I recently had the car into the dealers service department I should take it back, he seemed to think that maybe they had balanced them and scrubbed the bead of the tire.... he said my weights were not factory design, however I have no idea if this was "we are about to close" answers or honest truth.... seems logical.

He suggested the bearing may be the culprit without me even mentioning it, he said a balance issue woul dcause more feeling in the steering wheel and not a general pulsating noise at a specific speed.

I have left a message for my service advisor at the lcoal dealership, hoepfully she willcall me back or I will call her tomorrow....

 

[Seminole2001]

A Tire Kingdom employee has told me that the idea of the tire spinning on the rim is a slim cchance due to todays tires and rim manufacturing methods, he said in the 50's or 60's it would have been possible but not in modern times.

He told me since I recently had the car into the dealers service department I should take it back, he seemed to think that maybe they had balanced them and scrubbed the bead of the tire.... he said my weights were not factory design, however I have no idea if this was "we are about to close" answers or honest truth.... seems logical.

He suggested the bearing may be the culprit without me even mentioning it, he said a balance issue woul dcause more feeling in the steering wheel and not a general pulsating noise at a specific speed.

I have left a message for my service advisor at the lcoal dealership, hoepfully she willcall me back or I will call her tomorrow....

 

[mustangmike6996]

quick question for ya, does the tread of the tire show any kinds of abnormal wear issues. if a the edge ,inner or outter, shows any kind of feathering or stepping/ cupping this will cause a pretty bad road noise almost a howl. could go as far as a brake pedal pulsation. this could be caused by a faulty suspension part (unlikely) or a bad alignment. as far as the tire shreadings in the wheel, that could be part of a excess rubber that was molded into the tire and was wedged into the bead, possibly now coming out. definately use a white grease marker on the tire and wheel in a line with each other front tires and rears to see if they spin anymore. as far as a rim spinning on a wheel, this is possible if the tire has been mounted or dismounted rescently. it takes about 1-2 hours for the mounting lube to dry, during hard accel or braking you could "jar" it out of place. does the car have a vibration at all??? if there is a viberation it may be a separated belt in the tire (unlikely but still possible)

some of these examples are to the extreme but just to let you know what to look for...

*** F.Y.I.***
if anyone is experiencing any kind of a feather edging in the tread of a tire, run your hand accross the top of the tread, one way would feel smooth, the other way will "grab" your hand. normally the crest of the step will be facing forward. to correct this rotate the tire to the OPPOSITE SIDE, this will cause the tire to wear evenly and take care of any noise caused by it. save a lot of time and hassle, not to mention getting the use out of the tire, or just put em on the rear and roast them into "spec"

 

[Seminole2001]

So far they are wearing evenly. I have an appointment tomorrow with the dealership. We'll find out.... I wonder what the delaerships do with tire warranties now that they offer tires services in house? I survived the Firestone issue on Wilderness AT's on a previous Ranger, they took care of it.

 

[Seminole2001]

They rotated balanced and aligned ($149.00 with Premium Care Warranty)....fixed the problem.

They had a GT with cloth interior, Shaker 500 and a dealer installed Roush Charger.....415 ponies. $31,000. Bullit 17" wheels and manual 5 speed.
That seems like a good deal.

Thanks for the input. Apparently there was no rim spinning on the tire.