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Poor Idle After Fmic Install??? Anyone Else

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  • Start date Start date Jun 27, 2013

matice00

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Ok so I fabed up a front mount for my 68 with a 88 tc motor. After the install it will sometimes sputter and want to die when you come to a stop, if you give it a little gas it picks back up and is smooth running at any rpm above 1000. It did not do this before at all with the top mount. I hooked up my trusty boost leak tester and there are no leeks and holds solid 15lbs while driving, on a side note after its been running a while and nice and warm it does not do it. My ? Is do you need to re adjust the tps or anything after installing a front mount. Its a stock motor stock ecu. Thanks for any help you can give me.
 

4cammer72

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its the blowoff valve, you need to run it as a recirculation valve,,,, meaning it needs to be plumbed back into the system between the vam and turbo.... whats happening is you are releasing metered air and its going rich .. if you route it back into the system this will go away... car looks great by the way......
 

matice00

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Thanks 4cammer, that actually crossed my mind I'm going to give that a try and see what it does.
 

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Alright I had to leave town so it took me a while to test the blow off valve and recir it. It did not help, i removed it all together and still no change. Im at a loss I cleaned out the iac valve one more time, checked volts at tps all seem just fine. Any other things I should look at. Its really bugging me it ran perfect that morning driving to my shop, I swaped intercoolers put it back together and it had a bad idle right away...
 

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Have you tried turboford.org?
 

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Please post any solution you find. I'm having similar issues with my '89 with an '88 swap.

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madspeed

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excuse my ignorance on this drivetrain, but it it mass air or speed density?
 

Red_LX

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It's Vane Air Meter (VAM) which is sort of like mass air, except it uses a door and spring to detect the air moving through the system.

I ended up going with a blow-through VAM on my old Turbo Coupe to circumvent this same issue, and I STILL had occasional idle issues, but for the most part it ran pretty well like that. I think the electronics on the 2.3L turbo are just very finnicky sometimes.
 
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That is a common issue. Basically the longer length of the intake creates a delay between what the VAM says and the change actually taking place. So the computer sees a certain amount of air coming in, tries to modify the fuel and idle, and overshoots, by the time it measures the change, the conditions have changed again.

The initial solution is to increase the base idle speed. Long term, if you can upgrade from the stock computer to speed density (PIMP, Megasquirt) or can do a MAF swap (Lighting MAF and Quarterhorse) the issue can be overcome and corrected.

Myself I would not have opted for a FMIC built from exhaust tubing. Every elbow costs flow, and increases pressure. This means your turbo works harder to produce any given amount of boost. On a N/A car in an exhaust system the effects are less noticeable, but on turbo applications, I use all mandrel bends everywhere.

You need to enclose the filter so that it is only pulling air from outside the engine compartment. Otherwise you are taking hot air (which is less dense than cold air), compressing it, which makes it hotter, then trying to cool it, and then trying to produce maximum power with it, but the computer has no choice but to pull timing to prevent knocking. A lot of this will mess with the VAM calculations.
 
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