Quick Power Door Lock Question

SeventyMach1 · Jul 5, 2005

Multiple Choice.....

'94 GT ----- would it have.....

a.) positive trigger door lock wiring

b.) negative trigger door lock wiring

c.) reverse polarity door lock wiring

I'm thinkin' "C".... but I haven't checked into it yet.

LoudToy958 · Jul 5, 2005

*****EDITED 6-6-05 WITH CORRECT INFO - SORRY GUYS**********

Kinda tuff. Went through this with HISSIN50

Best thing to do is test.

If you had factory keyless it should be - TRIP ACCORDING TO TECHSOFT
If not, should be REVERSE POLARITY

Some I have seen are really strange - Like HISSIN50 - JTs car. Threw me for a loop.

If they are negative, they should rest at 12V and go to ground when the corresponding switch is pressed.
Visa versa for +

I saw you have the direct wire on another post. It is accurate for this car. If I remeber correctly HISSIN50s car was - trip after all the mess.

I would PM him. We PMd back and forth, and got it figured out. If you have probs, feel free to PM me. I will be in and out tonight. I can help you get it figured out I am sure. As long as you can work a VOM, were there.

SeventyMach1 · Jul 6, 2005

Okay... I'm confused. In Finn's post you said that factory keyless is negative. And non-keyless cars are 5-wire.

This looks like the opposite......

LoudToy958 · Jul 6, 2005

SeventyMach1 said:
Okay... I'm confused. In Finn's post you said that factory keyless is negative. And non-keyless cars are 5-wire.

This looks like the opposite......

SORRY SORRY -

I had a backwards day. Your right, I just read the techsoft wrong.

The keyless versions are - trip. At least they are supposed to be. And the door handle trick HISSIN50 mentioned is accurate. If your stang has keyless from the factory, the domelight should come on when you pull up the outside handle.

Sorry man. Didn't mean to confuse anyone here.

Still, test to be sure - I don't know if you have keyless or not, so that should be the determining factor. Again, I apologize. Need some more sleep on my end here.

SeventyMach1 · Jul 6, 2005

Naw man, don't worry about it... thanks for all your help.

So HISSIN's car must have had the factory module, right?

Mine doesn't, so I'm pretty sure now that I have the 5-wire reverse polarity setup..... & I have this aftermerket mess, lol. I'll do a confirmation test, though. I have the AAMP of America AKEY4 system..... like over 20 wires. I hate this.

Where is the best location I can mount this thing so I can access ALL of the needed wires?

BTW.... for now, I'm gonna skip over all the "optional" features, like driver's side priority, alarm, etc. I'll get them configured on down the road....

Thanks again.

LoudToy958 · Jul 6, 2005

Most of what you will need is in the drivers kick, and column harness. My favorite place to mount alarms in stangs is behind the factory pocket in the center of the dash.(OR CD PLAYER) Depends on your options.

There is a lot of room to work with there. Otherwise, any hidden area on the drivers side. Almost everything is there. Your techsoft should help quite a bit with wire color and location.
Thanks again.

HISSIN50 · Jul 6, 2005

Dont worry Shane, we still know you are a wiring wizard! (I mistype all the time. I am often on here when insomnia strikes).

Here is a quick refresher on my stuff:

I did not know about the dome light/door handle lifting thing at the time I was doing my install (I had just gotten the car).

So i tried another crude trick of holding the lock or unlock button down and noting what the lock knob did. When I held my button down, the knob stayed fully energized (rather than relaxing, even though the button was being held). This suggested (to me) that I had stock 5 wires (no module).
I guess I was wrong or that test does not work here.

Where I grabbed wires: I actually got them in the long run that is above the 'rocker panel' (in the carpet under the door sill). There is nothing down there and I could get easy access. By the time I got it all sorted (I had hacked my harness up a little and put it back together while testing), I ended up using T-taps and not soldering (everyone cringe). It worked fine (if you have a factory module, you just tee into the stock wiring, rather than using relays in series with the wiring). It makes for a very simple wire hook up.

I never looked for a module. I figured if the stupid thing had factory keyless, someone might have cared enough to give me a fob. I did pull a starter-kill relay and some ancillary wiring out, so it had an alarm before (which someone kept) and I guess they did not bother to give the next owner the OEM fob.

Good luck.

LoudToy958 · Jul 6, 2005

Yeah, we been doing 12 hour shifts at work lately, compunded with the 4 hour a day M-F job I work, just kicked my a$$ this week. I though I would get caught up on sleep over the 4th, but I got called in for a few hours early in the morning. No luck on sleep Friday or Saturday, then Sunday I spent the day removing gum from my wifes 05 Escape. Must have run it over somewhere, it was all over the rockers on both sides, and the rear liftgate. Gave her a all day wash and wax.

Anyhow, if you need anything, feel free to PM. I'll be caught up tonight. Hope all goes will with the install, just remember - there is no such thing as TOO many fuses.

SeventyMach1 · Jul 6, 2005

Okay Shane, here what the 6 pin wires are, exactly as the destructions state.... that I dont know where they go.

POWER DOOR LOCK WIRING

6 Pin Door Lock Output Plug (On-Board Relays):

Violet (Fused 10A): UNLOCK Normally Open (Terminal 87 On-Board Lock Relay)
Brown/Black: UNLOCK Normally Closed (Terminal 87A On-Board Lock Relay)
Blue/Black: UNLOCK Output (Terminal 30 On-Board Lock Relay)
Violet/Black (Fused 10A): LOCK Normally Open (Terminal 87 On-Board Lock
Relay)
White/Black: LOCK Normally Closed (Terminal 87A On-Board Lo0ck Relay)
Green/Black: LOCK Output (Terminal 30 On-Board Lock Relay)

The rest of the module I have connected.... just the door lock part is where I'm stumped.

Thanks.

LoudToy958 · Jul 7, 2005

SeventyMach1 said:
Okay Shane, here what the 6 pin wires are, exactly as the destructions state.... that I dont know where they go.

POWER DOOR LOCK WIRING

6 Pin Door Lock Output Plug (On-Board Relays):

Violet (Fused 10A): UNLOCK Normally Open (Terminal 87 On-Board Lock Relay)
Brown/Black: UNLOCK Normally Closed (Terminal 87A On-Board Lock Relay)
Blue/Black: UNLOCK Output (Terminal 30 On-Board Lock Relay)
Violet/Black (Fused 10A): LOCK Normally Open (Terminal 87 On-Board Lock
Relay)
White/Black: LOCK Normally Closed (Terminal 87A On-Board Lo0ck Relay)
Green/Black: LOCK Output (Terminal 30 On-Board Lock Relay)

The rest of the module I have connected.... just the door lock part is where I'm stumped.

Thanks.

I sent you a PM that should cover this almost perfect. Did you get it? If you need more info, let me know, I can go color to color if you need it. I will check back soon.....

LoudToy958 · Jul 7, 2005

SeventyMach1 said:
Okay Shane, here what the 6 pin wires are, exactly as the destructions state.... that I dont know where they go.

POWER DOOR LOCK WIRING

6 Pin Door Lock Output Plug (On-Board Relays):

Violet (Fused 10A): UNLOCK Normally Open (Terminal 87 On-Board Lock Relay)
Brown/Black: UNLOCK Normally Closed (Terminal 87A On-Board Lock Relay)
Blue/Black: UNLOCK Output (Terminal 30 On-Board Lock Relay)
Violet/Black (Fused 10A): LOCK Normally Open (Terminal 87 On-Board Lock
Relay)
White/Black: LOCK Normally Closed (Terminal 87A On-Board Lo0ck Relay)
Green/Black: LOCK Output (Terminal 30 On-Board Lock Relay)

The rest of the module I have connected.... just the door lock part is where I'm stumped.

Thanks.

HERE IT IS FOR ALL TO SEE.....

WHITE/BLACK- LOCK#87A Normally Closed - Lock switch side of PINK/YELLOW - will show on meter push lock
GREEN/BLACK - LOCK#30 Common (output) - Lock Motor side of PINK/YELLOW - will be dead on meter push lock

VIOLET/BLACK- LOCK#87 Normally Open(INPUT) - 12VOLTS

BROWN/BLACK- UNLOCK#87A Normally Closed - Unlock switch side of PINK/GREEN - will show on meter push unlock
BLUE/BLACK - UNLOCK#30 Common(output) Unlock Motor side of PINK/GREEN - will be dead on meter push unlock

VIOLET- UNLOCK#87 Normally Open(INPUT) - 12VOLTS

LoudToy958 · Jul 7, 2005

ttt - Made it easier for you to understand here. Just ignore the numbers, and pay attention to the colors. You will find the wires in the drivers side kick. They should be covered in tape or wrapped from the factory with a bundle of other wiring. Parking light wire is down there too. Brown one.

SeventyMach1 · Jul 7, 2005

LoudToy958 said:
Parking light wire is down there too. Brown one.

Wish I had known that earlier, lol.

Still looking for a couple wires.... I'll keep ya' updated.

Thanks.

LoudToy958 · Jul 7, 2005

PM'd ya

SeventyMach1 · Jul 8, 2005

The more I get into this thing.... the dumber I realize I am with this stuff, lol. I'm getting there. I PM'ed you some more Q's. Thanks man.

LoudToy958 · Jul 8, 2005

SeventyMach1 said:
The more I get into this thing.... the dumber I realize I am with this stuff, lol. I'm getting there. I PM'ed you some more Q's. Thanks man.

Hey, everyone has to start somewhere. I ask a lot of questions here that people just know the answer too without thinking. I have done well over 800 alarm installs over a 10 year span, this is pretty easy. After you do it once, it gets easier every time. You'll get it. It is pretty hard to tell someone how to do something on the net. Your gettin it though. Just make sure the 12V wire you sent to the battery has a fuse. That way if anything is wired wrong it should just pop. Thats what its for. Keep at it.

SeventyMach1 · Jul 8, 2005

Wow! Shane really knows what he is doing. I thought this would be a simple task for me, but without his help, I'd be lost. Thanks man.

Oh, & yes, the two +12V wires for the module are fused. As soon as I get the horn wired up..... I'll be good to go.

LoudToy958 · Jul 8, 2005

SeventyMach1 said:
Wow! Shane really knows what he is doing. I thought this would be a simple task for me, but without his help, I'd be lost. Thanks man.

Oh, & yes, the two +12V wires for the module are fused. As soon as I get the horn wired up..... I'll be good to go.

Glad I could help. I bet you could do it again no problem. That is the hardest part of an alarm install right there. 5 wire is the toughest out there. Next, tackle remote start - Pretty easy too.

SeventyMach1 · Jul 8, 2005

LoudToy958 said:
Next, tackle remote start - Pretty easy too.

Well, I would, but it has a manual tranny. I don't want to kill anyone right now, lol.

SeventyMach1 · Jul 8, 2005

Alright, I can't find the horn wires anywhere! Can anyone tell me where they are? The techsoft does say the one I'll need is on the steering column... a yellow one. Well, out of the like 30 wires on my column, I don't see a yellow one. Also, Shane, I don't even see a black one.

I want the horn to chirp, but I'm not extremely worried about it right now... I'll just get a siren & hook it up if I can't find the horn wire.

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