Amazing how "off the showroom floor" the GM's have almost always taken the Stangs (cept I think in 85/86, with the GT's out blasting the IROC) but yet everybody still loves the stangs :hails:SuperDust22 said:mustangs outsold them 3 to 1. Ls1 is a far better motor than 4.6 though.
Dustin
94GTLaserRC said:Amazing how "off the showroom floor" the GM's have almost always taken the Stangs (cept I think in 85/86, with the GT's out blasting the IROC) but yet everybody still loves the stangs :hails:
RC
bimmertech said:one of the rumors people often forget is the loans gm would have to pay back to the canadian government. canada gave gm several low/no interest loans to keep the plant in st. theresa open. i read something on this a while back, but can't remember all the details. maybe someone will google it and enlighten us. the f-body did not just have good engines, but the suspension designs are light years ahead of mustangs--still to this day.
bimmertech said:one of the rumors people often forget is the loans gm would have to pay back to the canadian government. canada gave gm several low/no interest loans to keep the plant in st. theresa open. i read something on this a while back, but can't remember all the details. maybe someone will google it and enlighten us. the f-body did not just have good engines, but the suspension designs are light years ahead of mustangs--still to this day.
did they stop making the f-body cuz it was getting outsold? or is a mass conspiracy by gm?02LS1 said:Dunno what this has to do with the Mustang outselling the F-body?
The government loan (30yr/300mil) to GM was way back in 1987...before the Ste. Therese plant even started producing the F-bodies. I doubt anyone outside of GM, the Canadian government or the CAW knows the actual details of that loan or the agreements that went with it or after it.
bimmertech said:did they stop making the f-body cuz it was getting outsold? or is a mass conspiracy by gm?gm was supposed to produce cars at that plant until the end of the loan(2017). it was also stipulated that if gm makes a camaro it has to be made at st therese. (pure theory)so gm closes the plant after undermarketing a good car and citing poor sales as the reason. gm then tears down the plant before the end of the contract and repays the loan in full after selling the bare land. the camaro name is then assembled at the holden plant in australia with the other soon to be released zeta body cars. thus doing so gm avoids a large lawsuit from the caw and consolidates assy of around 5 cars into 1 plant making more money off each of those five cars sold.
camaro details from popular hot rodding
02LS1 said:Couple grand more for a Corvette? The C5 was roughly twice the price as a Z28/Formula and between 15-20k more than a loaded SS, WS.6 or Firehawk.
02LS1 said:GM will not be building the 5th gen in Australia.
Zeta was just a name (for GM NA) and it's dead or at least put on hold...it wasn't GM North America architecture anyway. Zeta was the GM NA name for the Holden VE platform (which is still a go).
The 5th gen will be built on the Sigma platform, Sigma Lite to be exact (99.9% sure about that)...we should find out pretty soon.
bimmertech said:wherever, whatever platform, they just need to build the damn thing. i need a new car and ford is really starting to piss me off.
pleasehelp said:How are you getting 15-20K more? C5 was around 40-41K and the SS and WS6 were around 33-35K. I said a few grand, not a couple.
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