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94mustangcobra

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i have an sct chip the the 5 selector switch and for me to tune this chip myself i would have to buy the Racer's Pro Package for 650-700 dollars (tuning software and chip burner) or i could buy the TwEECer RT for about 600 dollars. Wich would be the better way to go ??? Both tell me they can give me my current tune so i'm not starting from scratch. Someone once told me that TwEECer's reset if crossing under high power lines. Wich is better and why???
 

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Allow me to give you some general info here

I have had a good bit of experience with the Tweecer and none with
the Pro Racer Package. I've seen many say the PRP is really nice and
what little I've looked at it ... it seems really user friendly.

Sooo ... having said that

Both tuning interface packages will give you good results

I have not had any issues with my Tweecer reseting itself

The Tweecer offers real time datalogging which can be so helpful

If you really want to be completely stand alone with everything
you need to tune under ALL conditions you will need a wide band
with either method of tuning interface.

Nice wb's can be had for two to three hundred dollars

One option with the Tweecer is you can go for just a basic featured
wb cause you can output the wb to display in the data logs.

The need for a wb that will capture data and play it back is then
not needed thus saving you a bit of money

Grady
 

94mustangcobra

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final5-0 said:
One option with the Tweecer is you can go for just a basic featured
wb cause you can output the wb to display in the data logs.

The need for a wb that will capture data and play it back is then
not needed thus saving you a bit of money

Grady
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what do you mean/how can you output the wb, does it just plug in somewhere?? And where/who would you recommend i buy from for a basic wb, also make.
 

final5-0

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94mustangcobra said:
what do you mean/how can you output the wb, does it just plug in somewhere?? And where/who would you recommend i buy from for a basic wb, also make.
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You can output the wb to the pcm egr input
Then select egr as one of your 16 data streams to display in the data log

If you still run egr, there is an interface called Data-Q you can use in that case

The specific details are here and all over the various tuning forums

Peeps have used PLX, Innovate and other wb's
but
Those two come quickly to mind

Grady
 

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94mustangcobra said:
Someone once told me that TwEECer's reset if crossing under high power lines. Wich is better and why???
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Tweecer won't reset around power lines

I would still go with tweecer, just for the datalogging...
 

final5-0

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vristang said:

Tweecer won't reset around power lines

I would still go with tweecer, just for the datalogging...
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Don't Listen To This Guy

Look At His Sig
He Be One Of Those Fox Folk

I'm Kidding Here

I will be the first to say without a shadow of a doubt

He knows what is what with a Tweecer :Word:
and
He helps so many of the Fox peeps over on that tuning forum

Good to see you on here again Jason

Grady
 

toyman

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94mustangcobra said:
i have an sct chip the the 5 selector switch and for me to tune this chip myself i would have to buy the Racer's Pro Package for 650-700 dollars (tuning software and chip burner) or i could buy the TwEECer RT for about 600 dollars. Wich would be the better way to go ??? Both tell me they can give me my current tune so i'm not starting from scratch. Someone once told me that TwEECer's reset if crossing under high power lines. Wich is better and why???
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I'm currently debating the same issue but I was wondering who's selling the Racer's Pro Package for $650-700
 

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final5-0 said:
Allow me to give you some general info here

I have had a good bit of experience with the Tweecer and none with
the Pro Racer Package. I've seen many say the PRP is really nice and
what little I've looked at it ... it seems really user friendly.

Sooo ... having said that

Both tuning interface packages will give you good results

I have not had any issues with my Tweecer reseting itself

The Tweecer offers real time datalogging which can be so helpful

If you really want to be completely stand alone with everything
you need to tune under ALL conditions you will need a wide band
with either method of tuning interface.

Nice wb's can be had for two to three hundred dollars

One option with the Tweecer is you can go for just a basic featured
wb cause you can output the wb to display in the data logs.

The need for a wb that will capture data and play it back is then
not needed thus saving you a bit of money

Grady
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With respect to the data logging are we talking about something other than A/F ratios

Also, is there a lot of difference in prices between basic featured and full featured wb's when it comes to quality

I believe the Zeitronix ZT-2 wb w/o display at $280 can be data logged to a laptop

I'm grappling with the same issues as 94mustangcobra and am wondering if in the absence of personally knowing someone with hands on Tweecer experience a simpler interface albeit at a higher cost might be worth the premium
 

final5-0

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toyman said:
With respect to the data logging are we talking about something other than A/F ratios
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Go to my site and look on the tuning page
You will see the older software but it will give you the idea

Also, is there a lot of difference in prices between basic featured and full featured wb's when it comes to quality
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I'd bet they offer the same accuracy and you pay more for the features

I believe the Zeitronix ZT-2 wb w/o display at $280 can be data logged to a laptop
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Nice yes ... but ... If you have the ability to have it displayed along side
and
In sync with 15 other columns of data

You really don't need that feature
unless
You wanna run two laptops and try to see them simultaneously

I'm grappling with the same issues as 94mustangcobra and am wondering if in the absence of personally knowing someone with hands on Tweecer experience a simpler interface albeit at a higher cost might be worth the premium
Click to expand...

There is something to be said about that
but
I have always seen it like this

The challenge is NOT with the interface software
You should be able to master it in an hour or two at the most

Where you are gonna spend some time is in getting a handle on
the basic operation of the pcm :Word:

Consider this line of reasoning

How would one improve upon something
if
They did not have a basic understanding of it in the first place

Also ... One would need to have a basic understanding about
the motor and how it might respond to things such as

Adding or Subtracting Spark and or Fuel

Hope this stuff makes sense
cause
I just see it as being very important

No matter what tuning method one might choose

Grady
 

toyman

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final5-0 said:
Go to my site and look on the tuning page
You will see the older software but it will give you the idea
Click to expand...

After going to your site it is painfully clear that reading what your describing and doing this is

I'd bet they offer the same accuracy and you pay more for the features



Nice yes ... but ... If you have the ability to have it displayed along side
and
In sync with 15 other columns of data

You really don't need that feature
unless
You wanna run two laptops and try to see them simultaneously
Click to expand...

I was thinking about needing the wb data logging feature if one was using the Pro Racing Package which does not have data logging

There is something to be said about that
but
I have always seen it like this

The challenge is NOT with the interface software
You should be able to master it in an hour or two at the most

Where you are gonna spend some time is in getting a handle on
the basic operation of the pcm :Word:

Consider this line of reasoning

How would one improve upon something
if
They did not have a basic understanding of it in the first place
Click to expand...

Is a basic understanding all that is required or as I suspect a more indepth understanding really required

I want to spend time having fun driving the car
not spending most of my time tweeking it

Also ... One would need to have a basic understanding about
the motor and how it might respond to things such as

Adding or Subtracting Spark and or Fuel

Hope this stuff makes sense
cause
I just see it as being very important

No matter what tuning method one might choose

Grady
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Oh so true
 

94mustangcobra

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toyman said:
I'm currently debating the same issue but I was wondering who's selling the Racer's Pro Package for $650-700
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well the software is only like 350 or so BUT you need a chip burner as well wich is another 300 or so totally that package to about 650 vs the TwEECer RT that has a USB that you plug into
 

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94mustangcobra said:
well the software is only like 350 or so BUT you need a chip burner as well wich is another 300 or so totally that package to about 650 vs the TwEECer RT that has a USB that you plug into
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Where is the package available for the $650
I've been quoted closer to $970
 
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cheapest place I have seen for the SCT pro racer with chip and chip burner is $949 a while back from modular depot ...........Sniper equivalent to pro racer with chip and chip burner is $699 shipped......but again Tweecer is the only way to have datalogging included on these cars so $650 is a great deal IMO.....never heard of a Tweecer resetting either ....
 

final5-0

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toyman said:
After going to your site it is painfully clear that reading what your describing and doing this is
Click to expand...

I do know how at first ... Looking at all this self tuning stuff can seem to be
a bit intimidating

Let me just ask you this

When you first got started in learning about your Stang ......
how it worked
how to mod it
and
all the rest

You just learned a bit here and a bit there as you went along
and
Before you knew it ... It all fell in place and made sense

Self Tuning is a lot like that

Don't let that stuff I put up on my little site overwhelm you

I just tried to offer a sampling of screen shots that entails the
basic things you can change and will deal with

One doesn't change EVERYTHING you see in those screen shots

I was thinking about needing the wb data logging feature if one was using the Pro Racing Package which does not have data logging
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Yes ... in that case ... you would certainly want that feature

Is a basic understanding all that is required or as I suspect a more indepth understanding really required
Click to expand...

I see tuning as two main categorys
1) WOT
2) Drivability

Of the two ... Drivability is the more challenging

A good bit of the things you change are simple value changes like idle
speed, rev limiter, fan temps, and the like.

Most of the time, you can use the internet forums or optional software
like EEC Analyzer to help you ascertain how to make a change

I still say ... just the basic things like ..........
Load
Closed Loop Conditions
Open Loop Conditions

You grasp them
Which shouldn't be a huge undertaking
and
You'll be way down the road to having some success in self tuning :Word:

I want to spend time having fun driving the car
not spending most of my time tweeking it
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I've gotten a lot of enjoyment from learning how to tune my Stang
and
I'm one of those peeps who likes to learn things
so
Maybe those two go hand in hand

I just could not say if you will see it like or

Hope I've helped in some small way

Grady
 

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2002BLGT said:
cheapest place I have seen for the SCT pro racer with chip and chip burner is $949 a while back from modular depot ...........Sniper equivalent to pro racer with chip and chip burner is $699 shipped......but again Tweecer is the only way to have datalogging included on these cars so $650 is a great deal IMO.....never heard of a Tweecer resetting either ....
Click to expand...


must've misunderstood or misquoted
 

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i think i'm going to put my funds towards a TwEECer RT then
 
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94mustangcobra said:
i think i'm going to put my funds towards a TwEECer RT then
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those cast iron heads on your car ?
 

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2002BLGT said:
those cast iron heads on your car ?
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oh yeah, stockers off my original motor if they were the aluminum ones i'd be upset
 
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94mustangcobra said:
oh yeah, stockers off my original motor if they were the aluminum ones i'd be upset
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just noticed the HP numbers in your sig , not bad .......I am running edelbrock RPM 2.02 valve heads on my high compression 306 and I should be in the 310-320 rwhp range , but probably not anymore torque than your combo put out
 

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2002BLGT said:
just noticed the HP numbers in your sig , not bad .......I am running edelbrock RPM 2.02 valve heads on my high compression 306 and I should be in the 310-320 rwhp range , but probably not anymore torque than your combo put out
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that was on a dynojet in 95 degree weather in tallahassee FL, 9:1 compression as well (18cc dished pistons w/ 63-65 cc on the heads), stock cobra intake too. :OT:
 
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