SN95 caliper to Granada spindle bracket

degins · Jan 2, 2009

I have finally succeeded in engineering and modeling a direct caliper bracket for connecting a SN95 aluminum dual piston caliper to a Granada spindle. It took 5 prototypes to tweak the design and production. Much of the design work involved selecting a suitable mating rotor. The best candidate, from a mounting geometry point of view, is the Granada rotor. I will be able to produce a dust shield as well. I found though that the Granada rotor's disc is too thin, in that it is not massive enough to take advantage of the capability of the caliper. This rotor is also too thin to properly retain the pads within the assembly when the rotor and pads are at their wear limits. One or both of the pads could be ejected from the bracket/calliper assembly.

I see no point in offering a product with these limitations and decided to design an appropriate rotor. This slotted 11.06" rotor will have an integral hub and a 1.025" thick vented disc. The new rotor's disc will be about 30% more massive than the 0.88" thick Granada one. I am in the process of maxinizing the design of the caliper as well.

I expect product availability this summer. Pics below.

ultrastang · Jan 2, 2009

Nice work, Dennis.

rhyno9 · Jan 5, 2009

Have you thought about a granada spindle and a larger rotor 13 inch with cobra (PBR) calipers?

I would like to get bigger rotors however I have granada spindles and I haven't seen an available kit that will wirk with the granada spindle. Since my drum spindles are long gone I would have to find some 70+ drum spindles to get a large rotor kit to work.

Thanks
Ryan

latamud · Jan 6, 2009

rhyno9 said:
Have you thought about a granada spindle and a larger rotor 13 inch with cobra (PBR) calipers?

I would like to get bigger rotors however I have granada spindles and I haven't seen an available kit that will wirk with the granada spindle. Since my drum spindles are long gone I would have to find some 70+ drum spindles to get a large rotor kit to work.

Thanks
Ryan

I'm working on this but am away from home. In the meantime, Wilwood makes a kit for 12" and 13" rotors for a MustangII and Pinto Spindle but the brackets bolt on different than the Granada. Their 13" kit is around $1800. Maybe Dennis could whip up something? Would it be possible to cast a 13" Granada rotor and fab some SN95/Cobra brackets with correct spacing to clear the 13" rotors?

degins · Jan 6, 2009

latamud said:
I'm working on this but am away from home. In the meantime, Wilwood makes a kit for 12" and 13" rotors for a MustangII and Pinto Spindle but the brackets bolt on different than the Granada. Their 13" kit is around $1800. Maybe Dennis could whip up something? Would it be possible to cast a 13" Granada rotor and fab some SN95/Cobra brackets with correct spacing to clear the 13" rotors?

Members of this and other enthusiast forums are a lot more performance oriented than the majority of classic Mustang owners. My main target market is those average owners. Their number allows me to produce and sell in fair quantity and keep cost down. There are already kits available that allow the mounting of big brake systems on Mustang and Granada spindles. I figure that the Granada/SN95 system as I describe it is an affordable middle ground that I can offer at a decent price.

bnickel · Jan 11, 2009

degins said:
I have finally succeeded in engineering and modeling a direct caliper bracket for connecting a SN95 aluminum dual piston caliper to a Granada spindle. It took 5 prototypes to tweak the design and production. Much of the design work involved selecting a suitable mating rotor. The best candidate, from a mounting geometry point of view, is the Granada rotor. I will be able to produce a dust shield as well. I found though that the Granada rotor's disc is too thin, in that it is not massive enough to take advantage of the capability of the caliper. This rotor is also too thin to properly retain the pads within the assembly when the rotor and pads are at their wear limits. One or both of the pads could be ejected from the bracket/calliper assembly.

I see no point in offering a product with these limitations and decided to design an appropriate rotor. This slotted 11.06" rotor will have an integral hub and a 1.025" thick vented disc. The new rotor's disc will be about 30% more massive than the 0.88" thick Granada one. I am in the process of maxinizing the design of the caliper as well.

I expect product availability this summer. Pics below.

Dennis, why not just use a 70 mustang rotor? it's not quite as thick as the one you are talking about but very close and it's discard thickness is the same as the granada's new thickness. the 70 mustang rotor thickness is .94 when new and .88 at discard thickness. the granada and the 70 mustang use the same wheel bearings also so they'll work easily on the granada rotor.

edit: the 70 rotor will also work on the 68-69 spindle as well by changing the bearings and races. i recently discovered that i've had on 69 and one 70 rotor on my 69 stang since i had new rotors installed on it back in high school. i guess they had a hard time finding 2 69 rotors so they just swapped the bearings and races on the 70 rotor and used it instead. strange but true, i have no idea how i never noticed this in almost 25 years of ownership until now........

degins · Jan 11, 2009

bnickel said:
Dennis, why not just use a 70 mustang rotor? it's not quite as thick as the one you are talking about but very close and it's discard thickness is the same as the granada's new thickness. the 70 mustang rotor thickness is .94 when new and .88 at discard thickness. the granada and the 70 mustang use the same wheel bearings also so they'll work easily on the granada rotor.

edit: the 70 rotor will also work on the 68-69 spindle as well by changing the bearings and races. i recently discovered that i've had on 69 and one 70 rotor on my 69 stang since i had new rotors installed on it back in high school. i guess they had a hard time finding 2 69 rotors so they just swapped the bearings and races on the 70 rotor and used it instead. strange but true, i have no idea how i never noticed this in almost 25 years of ownership until now........

The PBR caliper, pad, and bracket set are designed for a 1.024" thick rotor. Using the rotor I describe gives correct dynamics between the caliper, piston, and pad. This is very important when the pads and rotor reach their wear limits. The additional mass of my rotor is also increases fade resistance. In addition, the design allows me to modify current tooling so that I may offer a dust shield. It would not be feasibe for me to alter existing tooling with the 70-73 type.

bnickel · Jan 12, 2009

i don't think .030" is really all that big a deal, at least it wouldn't be to me anyway. also, i'm fairly certain that the dust shields are interchangeable between the 70-73 spindle and the granada spindle as well. not trying to yank your chain Dennis, just trying to offer easy alternatives.

BTW, did you get my email reply to the email you sent me a while back? i never heard back from you. i did request to be allowed to email you through your spam blocker thing but i never got a rply from that either

degins · Jan 12, 2009

bnickel said:
i don't think .030" is really all that big a deal, at least it wouldn't be to me anyway. also, i'm fairly certain that the dust shields are interchangeable between the 70-73 spindle and the granada spindle as well. not trying to yank your chain Dennis, just trying to offer easy alternatives.

BTW, did you get my email reply to the email you sent me a while back? i never heard back from you. i did request to be allowed to email you through your spam blocker thing but i never got a rply from that either

I prefer the thicker more massive rotor for the reasons stated. As I said, the 70-73 shield is not feasible. Not feasible, in an engineering sense, does not mean impossible. It means that, all things considered, I have determined that it is not economically viable to alter the current design to accommodate the new caliper.

I did read the email, thanks. I read all of the email that my server puts into the suspect file. I think I added your address to my allowed list. I am still researching rear brake systems. I'm leaning toward a system based on SN95. I don't like the inner drum e-brake system used with the CV system. Too many parts.

1995cobraR · Jan 13, 2009

degins said:
I figure that the Granada/SN95 system as I describe it is an affordable middle ground that I can offer at a decent price.

How much do you guess the price will be?

degins · Jan 13, 2009

1995cobraR said:
How much do you guess the price will be?

About $700 with spindles; all new parts.

chanthemann · Oct 30, 2009

custom rotor required for this setup????

Is there some reason a lincoln mark7 rotor won't work? It's 1.04 thk, 11" dia, and has the right size bearings. Or mabe even a better idea would be to use a drum hub with a hat style rotor and have many choices of cheap rotors.

degins · Oct 30, 2009

Fitting a rotor is not that simple. The rotor needs to have disc offset to match the caliper and to maximize caliper placement parameters. In any case, I have the rotors in hand and the brackets are in production. I'm finalizing the caliper source this week. The kit will be available soon.

chockostang · Oct 31, 2009

My Question to the General Public, the Mustang Public----WHY???

We have a very good Braking System in the Original FORD Design, stopped all the Shelbys, all the 428 cars, all the Boss cars, WHY CHANGE IT???

Adequate Stopping Power, Plentiful Parts supply (As these are Factory Brakes), Why in the World are we Wanting these Homemade parts??

The Homemade parts Market changes with the Decades, Parts Wear with the same time Factor.

Now, Place yourself 20 years from now, Were will the replacement parts come from??

The Supplier of these homemade Parts MIGHT be there to furnish new replacement parts. Might not be there, then What.??

But you can bet your butt, the Original Disc Brake Application ---FORD--for you Year/Model will be in Every Auto Parts store, and on Line.

Dan

Classic Mustang Disc Brake Conversions and Power Steering

rebel65 · Oct 31, 2009

way to be a dick dude

start your own f***ing thread instead of bashing someone just trying to get the word out about their product that has nothing to do with you or your opinions. want classic show correct car? great!! want original? all the more to ya. just don't tell me what to do with my car it's mine, not yours.

bnickel · Oct 31, 2009

chockostang said:
My Question to the General Public, the Mustang Public----WHY???

We have a very good Braking System in the Original FORD Design, stopped all the Shelbys, all the 428 cars, all the Boss cars, WHY CHANGE IT???

Adequate Stopping Power, Plentiful Parts supply (As these are Factory Brakes), Why in the World are we Wanting these Homemade parts??

The Homemade parts Market changes with the Decades, Parts Wear with the same time Factor.

Now, Place yourself 20 years from now, Were will the replacement parts come from??

The Supplier of these homemade Parts MIGHT be there to furnish new replacement parts. Might not be there, then What.??

But you can bet your butt, the Original Disc Brake Application ---FORD--for you Year/Model will be in Every Auto Parts store, and on Line.

Dan

Classic Mustang Disc Brake Conversions and Power Steering

because the original brakes suck compared to the brakes on modern cars and these classic cars need to be able to stop as well as modern cars.

chris66dad · Oct 31, 2009

I think Dennis has listened to the performance group and has come up with a very good option to marry a modern braking system to a classic Mustang for a reasonable price.

The CHOCKOSTANG- CSRP feud has been going on for awhile. I am not pointing fingers, just saying...

Good Luck and BE Safe
Ron

1995cobraR · Nov 1, 2009

chockostang said:
My Question to the General Public, the Mustang Public----WHY???

Why do you capitalize some words within a sentence for no apparent reason?

I need better brakes because I race my car. I am sure other guys have their own reasons.

tx65coupe · Nov 1, 2009

That sounds cool. I would possibly be interested in upgrading my brakes later on. I currenly have Granada brakes. I am not interested in having to upgrade to 17 inch wheels though. Will this work with 15 inch wheels? Will they offer better stopping power than the Granada components I have now?

ultrastang · Nov 2, 2009

If you have a '75-'80 Granada front disc brake setup on your vintage Mustang, or if you have stock '68-'73 front disc brakes and you are looking to upgrade to 13" Cobra rotors with twin-piston PBR calipers, then these are the brackets you would need for this conversion:

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