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Stuttering 94GT Needs your help!

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dubbsix

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My newly purchased 94GT is suffering from a rough idle. the car doesnt seem to run bad when im driving it, but it idles like crap and it also crank a few times before it starts. while running every now and then the engine will "stutter". I recently changed these parts:

cap and rotor
spark plugs
spark plug wires
new air filter

Tonight I hooked up a fuel pressure gauge and with the Key On, but the engine not running the fuel pressure was: 37PSI and steady. It didnt leak down at all.

with the key on and engine running the fuel pressure was stead at 32psi at idle and went up each blip of the throttle.

I tried pulling codes and the ones i got were: 116 and 314.

Since there is plenty of fuel can i rule out: regulator, fuel filter and fuel pump? Could a faulty ignition coil cause this? the car seems to be running rich.

Thanks in advance!
 

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awe no one?
 

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See the "Surging Idle Checklist for help with all your idle/stall problems. Everything you need to find and fix idle problems is in there.

The first two posts contain all the updates to the fixes. At last count there were 24 possible causes and fixes for surging idle/stall problems. I continue to update it as more people post fixes or ask questions.

Code 21 or 116 – ECT sensor out of range. Broken or damaged wiring, bad ECT sensor.
Note that that if the outside air temp is below 50 degrees F that the test for the
ECT can be in error. This code may go away as the engine warms up, so don't dump the codes on a cold engine


The ECT sensor has absolutely nothing to do with the temperature gauge. They are
different animals. The ECT sensor is normally located it the RH front of the engine in
the water feed tubes for the heater.

The ACT & ECT have the same thermistor, so the table values are the same

ACT & ECT test data:

Use Pin 46 on the computer for ground for both ECT & ACT to get most accurate
readings.

Pin 7 on the computer - ECT signal in. at 176 degrees F it should be .80 volts

Pin 25 on the computer - ACT signal in. at 50 degrees F it should be 3.5 volts. It is
a good number if the ACT is mounted in the inlet airbox. If it is mounted in the lower
intake manifold, the voltage readings will be lower because of the heat transfer.

Voltages may be measured across the ECT/ACT by probing the connector from
the rear. A pair of safety pins may be helpful in doing this. Use care in doing it
so that you don't damage the wiring or connector.

Here's the table :

50 degrees F = 3.52 v
68 degrees F = 3.02 v
86 degrees F = 2.62 v
104 degrees F = 2.16 v
122 degrees F = 1.72 v
140 degrees F = 1.35 v
158 degrees F = 1.04 v
176 degrees F = .80 v
194 degrees F = .61
212 degrees F = .47 v
230 degrees F = .36 v
248 degrees F = .28 v

Ohms measures at the computer with the computer disconnected, or at the sensor with the sensor disconnected.

50 degrees F = 58.75 K ohms
68 degrees F = 37.30 K ohms
86 degrees F = 27.27 K ohms
104 degrees F = 16.15 K ohms
122 degrees F = 10.97 K ohms
140 degrees F = 7.60 K ohms
158 degrees F = 5.37 K ohms
176 degrees F = 3.84 K ohms
194 degrees F = 2.80 K ohms
212 degrees F = 2.07 K ohms
230 degrees F = 1.55 K ohms
248 degrees F = 1.18 k ohms

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds



See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds
(website host) for help on 88-95 wiring Mustang FAQ - Engine Information

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Vacuum diagram 89-93 Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg


Code 314 AIR inoperative, Left or Front HO2S - Air Injection
To the best of my knowledge, this will not cause idle problems.
 

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Thank you! About to instal the new ECT and see if it makes a difference!
 

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Well cleaned the MAF and replaced the ECT and I still have the idle stumble. Could this be a problem with the harmonic balancer? I've heard that they give out and create rough idles...
 

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dubbsix said:
Well cleaned the MAF and replaced the ECT and I still have the idle stumble. Could this be a problem with the harmonic balancer? I've heard that they give out and create rough idles...
Click to expand...

Save yourself time, money and frustration - see the "Surging Idle Checklist for help with all your idle/stall problems. Everything you need to find and fix idle problems is in there.
 

dubbsix

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jrichker said:
Save yourself time, money and frustration - see the "Surging Idle Checklist for help with all your idle/stall problems. Everything you need to find and fix idle problems is in there.
Click to expand...

I've gone through the checklist, but have not found anything as of yet to help cure my rough idle. I am going to stop buying parts and take a weekend and traceb back every vac line to make sure its good.
 
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