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DISCLAIMER:the following info was taken directly from my head and may not be very coherent at times and i apologize if you noticed anything i left out please feel free to correct me as i have not used this info for a while. this is also focused to a N/A engine as forced inducted engines work differently.




basically a supercharged engine is anything that operates at over 100% volumetric efficiency(VE). a typical stock application is around 72-78%VE. adding a camshaft and cylinder heads will increase VE sometimes to the point of reaching over 100% VE, thus becoming supercharged. to get to this point is not easy and there are several points that must be optimized.

first of all, the throttle blade(s) open and allow air into the intake manifold which is directed to the intake valve in the cylinder head, this air hits the valve and is redirected into the inlet tract until the incoming air is strong enough to overcome the reverted air. this new incoming column of air is directed to the intake valve once again, and in a few cases, is entered into the combustion chamber INERTIALLY FILLING the cylinder. this is known as the second wave pulse. if this air does not enter into the combustion chamber and bounces off the valve it is reverted again into the intake manifold until it is overcome again by the incoming charge. this is a third wave pulse. as you can guess by now, with each successive wave pulse the inertial filling becomes less effective as the motion of the air is wasted on bouncing off the reverted air. very few engines operate solely on a second pulse tune-mostly two stroke engines-but the ones that do are very effective, read LS1. stock engines, such as our beloved 5.0, are based on a 3rd pulse tune.

this wave pulse tune can be altered by cam timing, intake runner length and cylinder head burn characteristics, which is why a matched combo is so important. first we will take into consideration the intake runner length(we will assume intake volume is suffficient). this is important as the optimum length is usually very different at varying rpm's. at lower rpm's the piston is moving at a much lower speed which means the actual time between firing events is lengthened. so a short runner intake at lower rpm's(piston speed) will needlessly shift your wave pulse to 4 or maybe five as the time for the air to reach the valve is shortened, and it will continually bounce off the valve. adversly a long intake runner may take to long to supply the engine with air at higher rpm's as the time to reach the combustion chamber is increased. a matched runner length to our combo will supply the incoming air charge at an acceptable wave pulse at our peak efficiency range.

the next component in line is the cylinder head, the head has many functions and is often considered the most critical. the head must first be able to supply the engine with enough air to meet the demands of engine output. second the head must have a well shaped combustion chamber that is capable of reducing burn time as much as possible. the reduced burn time allows the enigne to reduce time between firing events.

the most important of this combo is one single event, the point at which the intake valve closes. considering you have a suitable cylinder head the cylinder is able to fill even after the piston is at BDC, up to a certain point. it is nessacary to determine this point by using a very eloborate chart of cylinder head flow data, this results in finding out at what point the intake valve needs to close. close to early and you don't get an optimized fill, close to late and the piston will push air back into the intake manifold and reduce the inertia that is already present.

with all of these items working in conjunction with each other, it is possible to have an engine that is capable of operating in a second wave pulse tune and inertially supercharge your engine to over 100% VE.

edit: broke it into paragraphs
 

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wow.....i agree with you say....indeed, may race engines are tuned so that thay can achieve over 100%ve
 

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very interesting!
 

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Split that into paragraphs. I'd like to read it but I can't. My brain starts to melt just looking at that huge paragraph.

OK nevermind I read through it. Where did you get that? I thought about it for awhile and I can't come up with any solid arguement.
 

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First off, I second the
Zero Signal said:
Split that into paragraphs. I'd like to read it but I can't. My brain starts to melt just looking at that huge paragraph.
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2nd, are you asking a question or making a statement?

bimmertech said:
with all of these items working in conjunction with each other it is possible to have an engine that is capable of operating in a second wave pulse tune and inertially supercharge your engine to over 100% VE.
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Yup, rember Chevy had the TPI fuel injection in the late 80's and early 90's. This was one of their first attempts at it. And for all who forget:

TPI = Tuned Port Injection

The tuned port refered to the use of the pressure waves caused by the closing valves to accelerate the intake charge into the next filling cylinder.
 

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Very good write up, but two questions:
1. Determining the point at which the valve closes is very important, so therefore it is very important to match heads with the right cam, right?
2. And a long runner intake would provide more power at lower rpms, while a short runner would be more suited for higher rpms?

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illwood said:
First off, I second the

2nd, are you asking a question or making a statement?
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um, a, um, yea sorry bout the paragraphs, just how my burned out mind works.
second that is meant to be a statement, again this was kinda compressd into about 30 min of thinkin and typin.
 

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I didn't read either. Anyone want to break it down. I just don't have that kind of time.
 
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95strokerPSU said:
Very good write up, but two questions:
1. Determining the point at which the valve closes is very important, so therefore it is very important to match heads with the right cam, right?
2. And a long runner intake would provide more power at lower rpms, while a short runner would be more suited for higher rpms?

Dave
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1.) matching the heads to the cam is critical and is done on a graph sheet of paper that plots flow data and turns it into a number called "Z" Z is then plugged into an equation that determines where the valve should close. but just as critical is matching this to intake runner length to ensure that all components are on the same "page"
2.)yes, for ford examples see the 5.0HO intake runner vs the 5.0 truck intake
 

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Still sounds interesting. I still want to know where you got the info. I want to read more into it. Do you have example calcs?
 

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First off, calling a NA motor that operates over 100% VE "supercharged" will confuse and detract people from your argument.

That term may be correct, IDK, I am only making the aforementioned point.

VE is defined by = an internal combustion engine design, volumetric efficiency refers to the efficiency with which the engine can move the charge into and out of the cylinders. More correctly, volumetric efficiency is a ratio (or percentage) of what volume of fuel and air actually enters the cylinder during induction to the actual capacity of the cylinder under static conditions. Therefore, those engines that can create higher induction manifold pressures - above ambient - will have efficiencies greater than 100%

How can you create a induction pressure above standard atmospheric pressure (relative to your location of course) without a turbo/supercharger???

Impossible is what I say.

You can only fit so much air into a cylinder without boost, and that calculated amount of air is the 100% VE point, which by definition means a VE over 100% w/o a blower/turbo is impossible.

Scott
 

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mo_dingo said:
How can you create a induction pressure above standard atmospheric pressure (relative to your location of course) without a turbo/supercharger???

Impossible is what I say.

You can only fit so much air into a cylinder without boost, and that calculated amount of air is the 100% VE point, which by definition means a VE over 100% w/o a blower/turbo is impossible.
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You can overpressure the cylinder beyond ambient just slightly, using the inertia of the air entering the engine to ram a little more in than would be pulled in by displacement alone. It is common for race engines to exceed 100% VE by a little bit, and even some well-tuned street setups do it. But everything has to be very well matched and dialed in.
 
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Zero Signal said:
Still sounds interesting. I still want to know where you got the info. I want to read more into it. Do you have example calcs?
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i got the info from UTI and SAM, which i attended. i do have equations for figuring VE somewhere, but at the current time i am unable to locate.
 

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To achieve a Pressure ratio over 1.0/1 is impossible without forced induction.. to achieve a Volumetric Efficiency above 100% IS possible...

Do not be fooled.. all engines have air being forced into their combustion chambers... atmostpheric pressure is 14.7psi at sealevel, and slightly less at higher altitudes...


Luke
 
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I agree with all of that ben. Good little tutorial for the guys that don't quite understand all of that and how everything goes into working. If you guys are wanting some more info, go to turbomustangs.com and go to the turbo bible. There is a section with the equations on figuring all of that out.

Jeremy
 
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