I understand totaly.... All I'm saying is there is always going to be a fast car and by somebody's opinion its not a street car.. what if Mike (the guy that won WFC) came out with his car on dragradials it went 7's its tagged, has all the street equipment functional and drives all over... Brian.... Andy's car is nowhere near a street car either even if it is only 310 inches... its a baby hotstreet car... Maybe for some rules turn it into a class like street race in the Pro series.... those rules are great with a couple changes...
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I think the rules for the class are good. the SS class is similar to NMRA's renegade with the addition to allowing turbos. And since there are turbos your gonna need intercoolers allowed as well.
As for being real street cars its kind of a sticky situation because what one person see's as a street car another person see's the same car as a racecar.
And if people want to get technical any car that does'nt have cats IS'NT street legal. And for beeing registered. In RI if your car is'nt inspected in a certain amount of time they pull your registration untill you do. Its easy for them to find out with the computerized emmisions testing it'll come up on they're CPU that it was'nt inspected. It happened to me with my trans am last year. Then it'll come down to people who have inspection station "connections" who can get they're car inspected but that would be
very unfair to people who don't have "connections" and can't get they're car inspected and registered.
My advice to everyone who does'nt like the rules. These rules will most likely be the same next year.The've been the same basic rules for as long as I can remember. So you have a year to send your heads out for more portwork,get a better intake,bigger blower/turbo,better cam, add intercooler, and so on.
I read this quote in hot rod "street cars don't make good race cars and race cars don't make good street cars." So if you want to do good at the racetrack you would probally be better off to have a race car desquised as a street car than a real street car. It's a trade off were how much streetablity do you want to give up in order to field a more competitive drag car.
I now wish I went last weekend because I could of probaly qualified #2 in SS.
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'88 Saleen- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/762099
'00 Trans-Am- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/764642
As for being real street cars its kind of a sticky situation because what one person see's as a street car another person see's the same car as a racecar.
And if people want to get technical any car that does'nt have cats IS'NT street legal. And for beeing registered. In RI if your car is'nt inspected in a certain amount of time they pull your registration untill you do. Its easy for them to find out with the computerized emmisions testing it'll come up on they're CPU that it was'nt inspected. It happened to me with my trans am last year. Then it'll come down to people who have inspection station "connections" who can get they're car inspected but that would be
very unfair to people who don't have "connections" and can't get they're car inspected and registered.
My advice to everyone who does'nt like the rules. These rules will most likely be the same next year.The've been the same basic rules for as long as I can remember. So you have a year to send your heads out for more portwork,get a better intake,bigger blower/turbo,better cam, add intercooler, and so on.
I read this quote in hot rod "street cars don't make good race cars and race cars don't make good street cars." So if you want to do good at the racetrack you would probally be better off to have a race car desquised as a street car than a real street car. It's a trade off were how much streetablity do you want to give up in order to field a more competitive drag car.
I now wish I went last weekend because I could of probaly qualified #2 in SS.
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'88 Saleen- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/762099
'00 Trans-Am- http://www.cardomain.com/ride/764642
Quazimodo said:
I been racing at this event since it was Ford Day & open session. It used to be only slick class and street tire class. I wish is was still that way, there are to many classes now. I have heard alot of complaints from street cars about the No-Box class. Here you definately have street cars racing against dedicated race cars. It would be much better if they could mirror the bracket classes at FFW.
Street ET said:
Accually, I was talking about the street shootout class rules staying basicly the same over the years. Eric won the class with my car back in '96 running low 11's@125 on M&H's.In '99 I qualified 3rd with a 10.1@130 with the #1 car going 10.0. Last year I qualified 2nd with a 9.8@138 and the blue LX hatch that won this year was #1 last year too with a 9.3. That'll give an idea how the class has evolved over the years. In 9 years the winning time has only dropped about 2 seconds.
I agree, that in bracket racing they should have seperate classes for box and no box cars. But a good driver in a street car could be as consistant as a race car in a no box class(I can run within a tenth all day long with my daily driver on street radials with a manual tranny).But in a heads up type of race you want to build the car just within the limits of the rules. (biggest engine,just above minimum weight,biggest blower/turbo,cam, highest flowing legal heads,etc)
They do seperate bo and no-box. What I would like to see is, a seperate class for real street tired cars, no cheaters ( I run Hoosier's so it would not benefit me ). I think this would be much more fun for the once or twice a year racer.
I've watched over the years as several cars get put into a heads up class and never stood a chance. Give them a true street tire bracket and let them have some fun.
I would also like to see Mod Motor change to Open Comp and I would definatley race it.
I've watched over the years as several cars get put into a heads up class and never stood a chance. Give them a true street tire bracket and let them have some fun.
I would also like to see Mod Motor change to Open Comp and I would definatley race it.
A good driver should be just as consistant with either slicks or radials. Maybe not as quick but just as consistant. No matter what tires you have if you do the same exact thing on every pass you should be real consistant.
Bracket racing is about consistancy which the more experienced driver probaly has the advantage over the "once or twice a year racer" no matter what tires are used. A good driver on radials can be more consistant than a inexperienced driver on slicks. I feel the difference is the drivers not the tires.
As for driver being "thrown" into heads up classes. They should read the class rules before they sign up for the class. Its kind of pointless running in a class were your over a second slower than the faster cars in the class. Thats why I dont run Quick street anymore. My car runs 9's and to win you need to run consistant 8.3-8.4 so its a waste of time to run and lose in the first round.
Lets say, if I had a supercharged low 11 second car I would'nt even waste my time running in the SS class because you basicly have NO chance to win. I would run it in the bracket were you would have just as good a chance of winning as anyone else no matter how fast or slow as your car is as long as you the driver can cut good lights and can be dead consistant on every pass.
Bracket racing is about consistancy which the more experienced driver probaly has the advantage over the "once or twice a year racer" no matter what tires are used. A good driver on radials can be more consistant than a inexperienced driver on slicks. I feel the difference is the drivers not the tires.
As for driver being "thrown" into heads up classes. They should read the class rules before they sign up for the class. Its kind of pointless running in a class were your over a second slower than the faster cars in the class. Thats why I dont run Quick street anymore. My car runs 9's and to win you need to run consistant 8.3-8.4 so its a waste of time to run and lose in the first round.
Lets say, if I had a supercharged low 11 second car I would'nt even waste my time running in the SS class because you basicly have NO chance to win. I would run it in the bracket were you would have just as good a chance of winning as anyone else no matter how fast or slow as your car is as long as you the driver can cut good lights and can be dead consistant on every pass.
retro50
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I agree with Quazimoto! It is pointless to run a class If your car is not competitive. I ran in the brackets because My car runs consistant. It is not a competitive car. I ended up breaking out on a 12.50 dial- in with a 12.49. In the 1st round. I would have run the N/A heads up street class but I figured the cars would run high 11's to low 12's. After watching them run I probably could of competed with them. As most of them were in the mid 12's. The quick street class is really competitive If you don't run in the 8's Your going home early. I know a guy that races quick street in a camaro. He is always working on it to find an edge. It is also a very expensive class to run in.
Wayne S
Founding Member
lxfiveo said:
Nothing said they had to be street cars for SS Steve....... If the car won that I think did.....I have a feeling things like that will be delt with next year.........
Was No race style blower car allowd in SS......If your talking the car I think it was......He had a YSI on the car wich is a Renagade blower.........Only blower that might be hard to check on is a Novi 2000........
IMO. I seen the guy before I though he was going to run High 9s Like ive seen him run before......Wasn't expecting him to blast a low 9 run 9.24 If I recall right...
Problem when you get down to 10.20s Ect..It can take the same power to be a Low 10 car to a low 9 car.....It takes ton of work in chassis tunning etc.
Look at my car and a mid13 car..... Would it be easy to tech them? Get what im saying.
Scandalous 508 said:
FFW has those rules for the street classes. Inspection sticker is not required though. If it was, Quazimodo brings up a good point about "knowing" people to get a sticker. I think the way things are going with emissions, most of us will end up being in that boat, so I'm ok with a car not having an inspection sticker. I noticed the Real Street they are running at Fords at E-Town this weekend does require a sticker, but most have told me they never actually check for one. I have one, it just expired in 2003!
Wayne S
Founding Member
Scandalous 508 said:
Difining street legal is on the rules sheat..
Cars must have factory dashboard,full interior,backseat is optionable with roll bar. The rear seat area must be carpeted. Car must have stock style suspention. Bolt on or heavy-duty parts allowed. Vehical weights will be checked during eliminations....
Thats what the Tasca rules defined as street legal............
To most a drag car is a street legal car if........It has working lights/turn signals,Glass windows etc..................If you had a class as fast as low 10s high 9s..... You would get no true street legal car in the class.......They do not exist......
In R.I to keep your registraition, car has to be inspected and insured. That means smog check on 1981 up........Now you get into Carb E.O numbers for aftermarket parts........
Now are you going to have a state inspector for every state to show up?
It's pointless..........Technicaly Street legal in Racing turms means to look like a street car.
Wayne S
Founding Member
Street ET said:
I agree with you Jim........Maybe you should have a talk with Karl with Ideas......
Right now The rules are getting looked at for next year...... Karl would like a Heads up class ( 05 tasca Factory Stock) for true bolt-on cars.......Im not sure if it will fly or not........I think in a way, It might be better getting dropped and do Open Comp instead.......
Jim we talking DRs or none DR street tires?
Again wouldn't being registered be considered street legal??? Yes we all know 99% of the cars would fail smog and what not. But street legal would mean you can drive the car on the street. If its not registered you can't. Therefore its not street legal.
All I am saying is the rules need to be more detailed and specific. I looked at the rules and when it specified must be street legal, I assumed it had to be registered. We went and registered our car on Friday before the event for this one reason.
All I am saying is the rules need to be more detailed and specific. I looked at the rules and when it specified must be street legal, I assumed it had to be registered. We went and registered our car on Friday before the event for this one reason.
So if the guy who went 9.1 in SS went to the registry and got it registered it would of made it more of a street car? I've seen the car. If it was mine I'd drive it on the street. I sometimes drive my car on the street with slicks, skinnys and always with 117 octane gas and even a cog belt. Its not a daily driver but can be driven on the street. And with a little more headwork and more boost it could run low 9's also instead of mid 9's and it would'nt be any less streetable than when it was running 10's way back in '99.Scandalous 508 said:
The thing is that in RI (probally other states to) if your car does'nt have cats it wont pass inspection and then if your car is'nt inspected the state pulls your registration untill you do. You see since all inspections go into the states database they now look up registered cars and see if they are inpected and if not ,you get a notice in the mail giving you a deadline to do it. It happened to me last year with my T/A.
So then the only people who could get their car inspected and be able to keep their cars registered are the people who have inspection station "connections" And that would'nt be fair to people who did'nt have "connections".
And technically a car without cats is illegal just like not being registered. Things are either street legal or not there is no middle ground.If your car doe'nt have cats you cant legally drive it just like you cant legally drive a unregisered car.Its just easier to get caught without a registration than it is to get caught withput cats by the police, thats all. Call the DMV and ask them if you need cats to be street legal.
If you get caught by the DMV without cats the fine could be bigger than getting caught unregistered. I know someone who got fined $2k for getting caught without cats!!
Again if your don't like the rules in the heads up classes, run in the brackets
then.
And did you see the quick street class which is for street legal cars also.They're running mid 8's with them. Granted, they are less streetable but considered street legal. Remember what 1 person thinks what a street car is different what someone else may consider a street car. So there will always people complaining that the cars that are faster than them are'nt street cars.
Scandalous 508 said:
I think the rule's are fairly loose, to make it so many people can fit in, and maybe more importantly not exlcude racer's as we all know none of these
event have full 16 car competitive fields
I think the best thing to do is go and have fun, be glad tasca puts on/sponsor's such an event, or complain enough, and maybe it will be gone forever from NED like the MHRA
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