Owner of a 1999 cobra conv and was woundering is it possible to drift. I tried pulling up on the E-brake and nothing happens but the car slows up a little.:SNSign:
To drift or not to drift
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hotrodnut
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The trick to using the E-brake is to be already turning when applying it. Note that if you are not holding the button in it will lock and spin you out. All you want to do is apply it enough to shock the rear wheels into a slide.
I'm not into drifting but when Autocrossing the E-brake is used to get around a single cone 180 degree turn quicker. I always tape the button in on the E-brake to make sure it don't lock on me. I enter the turn, clutch it and then quickly jerk up on the E-brake with my finger tips and as soon as the rear gets going out I smoothly let the clutch out and apply throttle. All this happens within a second or less, it is a quick series of movements.
One thing I'm not sure of in drifting is if they clutch it when using the E-brake to bust the rear loose or not. I do for the Auto-x to make sure the engine doesn't stall out.
I'm not into drifting but when Autocrossing the E-brake is used to get around a single cone 180 degree turn quicker. I always tape the button in on the E-brake to make sure it don't lock on me. I enter the turn, clutch it and then quickly jerk up on the E-brake with my finger tips and as soon as the rear gets going out I smoothly let the clutch out and apply throttle. All this happens within a second or less, it is a quick series of movements.
One thing I'm not sure of in drifting is if they clutch it when using the E-brake to bust the rear loose or not. I do for the Auto-x to make sure the engine doesn't stall out.
COBRA90GT
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Thanks for the info. One more question when applying the e-brake shouldnt my back wheels lock up? :SNSign:
Thanks for the info. One more question when applying the e-brake shouldnt my back wheels lock up? :SNSign:
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Just for a millisecond because you will already have the inertia built up in the direction you are turning and the rear will kick out instantly.hvcobra99 said:
hotrodnut said:
Never use the e-break in AutoX! All you are doing is killing your time and putting a nice flat spot on your rears. Learn how to break before the turn in. Proper turn in spot. Proper apex. Proper power out and above all... Proper car set up.
Are you getting a lot of understeer? Is this why you feel you must use the e-break to rotate the car? How much negative camber do you have set? If its a tight track how much toe out have you set?
Uncle Meat said:Please tell me you're not serious... Drifting is ghey unless you have enough power to do it solely with just the accelerator.
U.M.
Oh and welcome to the Stangnet, great first post.
Meat!! don't look at drifting as ghey (your spelling!) look at it as another way to toast rice burners!!
Seriously, drifting is an up an coming sport and it takes a hell of a driver to get right. Add the power and drift away!!
pinski
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thanks
Thanks finaly someone who understands. And yes we should all watch our spelling. (its ghey to spell incorectly.)
But my problem is where to go when I want to practice. If the police see ya. Thats a reckless driving ticket and 6 points in MI.
Thanks finaly someone who understands. And yes we should all watch our spelling. (its ghey to spell incorectly.)
But my problem is where to go when I want to practice. If the police see ya. Thats a reckless driving ticket and 6 points in MI.
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pinski
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hotrodnut
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Wrong, I've been Auto-x'n since the 70's and if there is a 180 degree turn with 1 pylon to go around it IS faster to E-brake it, (if you know how). The flat spot will not occur, if you read my other posts you would see it only takes a millisecond to upset the rears enough to do the pin-point turn around, there is NO lock-up of the rear tires.TheDukeOfEarl said:
Rally Drivers also use their E-brake or rear hand-brake to set up for the hard 180 turns, either on dirt or pavement.
You're wrong on the "Drifting has nothing to do with the e-break" (correct spelling "BRAKE"), they all use it to set the car for what they call the Drift, then they use the power to keep the rear out. They have added longer handles without locking buttons so the leverage is greater to do this also. Do your homework before you come on here knowing all there is to know about everything.
hotrodnut
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Practice can be done at events, I'm not a follower of Drifting but I do know there are events that are held throughout the country.hvcobra99 said:
Back in the day, when the Malls were closed on Sunday's, I use to go practice vehicle control on rainy days it those empty parking lots. I would set up some cones in a big circle and go around them like on a skid pad from vehicle control schools. Even the law would come by and watch, they on occasion even tried it with their cruizers.
I don't know but maybe where you work would let you use the parking lot on your off days. I would suggest doing it in the rain first, it's much eaiser on the tires. Plus, once you learn in the rain , you'll see it's all the same, it just happens faster when it's wet!
There are vehicle control schools too, Road Atlanta, Sebring and a lot of others offer these.
I haven't got anything against e-braking a car to get around a 180 more quickly as described above in an autocross event, but that is NOT drifting. The art of "Drifting" F&F style on public roads is LAME!
U.M.
P.S. I know how to spell G A Y you ricer wanna-be, I just thought you'd appreciate it more being spelled in a language more appropriate to the subject matter at hand.
U.M.
P.S. I know how to spell G A Y you ricer wanna-be, I just thought you'd appreciate it more being spelled in a language more appropriate to the subject matter at hand.
hotrodnut said:
Oh I am sorry I did not know we had a skilled solo II driver here. Why didn’t you use the proper technique called the Scandinavian flick? This is the most accepted rally and autox method for navigating a 180.
On approach hard brake and turn away from the corner, as soon as the rear of the car unloads, turn into the corner and begin applying throttle. This will induce over steer and cause the rear to slide around the corner.
In drifting the e-brake is used primarily in front wheel drive cars. It is not very popular and doest apply here at all.
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Skilled or not, I have been able to pull off a few Divisional Championships using my style in Solo II Racing.TheDukeOfEarl said:
What’s proper to you may not be proper to me or anyone else for that matter. As far as that whatever flick . . . . I'm in the USA and have never heard of it, but from your description of it, that would be the long way around a single cone.TheDukeOfEarl said:
Hummm, drifting front wheel drive cars???? Sounds like that is close to impossible.TheDukeOfEarl said:
You know what, it sure sounds to me like you should attend a National Drifting Competition before commenting on what they do and how they drive. hotrodnut said:Skilled or not, I have been able to pull off a few Divisional Championships using my style in Solo II Racing.
What’s proper to you may not be proper to me or anyone else for that matter. As far as that whatever flick . . . . I'm in the USA and have never heard of it, but from your description of it, that would be the long way around a single cone.
Hummm, drifting front wheel drive cars???? Sounds like that is close to impossible.
Well the flick is what you will see at national championships. You will be in Topeka in Sept. wont you? I will. The flick is the proper 180 method for high HP high weight rear wheel drive cars. E-brake is for someone that can't figure out how to transfer weight through trail braking.
The front wheel drift is straight from Ryan Stevens of Velocity Racing Team in Japan. Maybe you are the one that should do his homework. Oh and I have attended many events. I was at the JGTC at Calspeedway last year there were a few drift events.. Oh wait. I was driving there too. You have heard of the JGTC and D1 haven't you. The 04 event that brought drift to the USA?
You are in Florida. I guess you have maybe seen the Daytona 500? If you look at the trophy its my great uncles trophy. The Harley Earl trophy. Oh lets see.... The first Corvette race car was made by GM for my cousin and the corvette was my great uncles dream and design. I have been involved in cars all my life and racing for over 30 years and I instruct high speed driving and teach several racing programs. I currently race a mustang with NASA.
Here are some links since you can't seem to do any research for your self. I guess its easier to just shoot off your mouth.
http://streetracing.tiora.net/japan/drift/drift1.htm
http://www.carofthecentury.com/hje's_trophies.htm
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