Well, it started good...
It never takes them long to destroy any American car.
I think they were for the most part fare but they did f up a few times.
question for everyone out there on stangnet. my Tags expire next month so im going to go ahead and get custom plates. any Ideas? I have a few in mind but nothing that really makes me jump out of my seat.
We need a mustang that we can be proud of; a well-rounded car that scares other drivers.
Damn, where do I start.
First of all theres alot more people that use their 03/04 cobras for drag racing than you think and Ford knows this. That and building an IRS for a 4k lbs car with 500 hp (not to mention however much hp you would have after a couple bolt ons, people modify their mustangs, Ford knows this too) is no cheap or easy task and would have just drove the cost of the car up even higher. And do people even pay attention to the numbers this car pulls with a solid axle? Not bad for a 4k lbs nose heavy car on crappy tires, IRS or not.
Now as far as the mod motors sucking. They proved they could make hp without a blower with the 2k Cobra R they just didnt mass produce it. Now say you have this company and you have a product that is outselling the competition 3-1 and your product doesnt actually outperform your competition. Your product is totally outdated yet all you have to do is just freshen it up a bit or make a special edition and it sells like hotcakes. What would you do?
The mod motor is a great engine, a gigantic step up from the windsor. You think those 300 hp 5.0s would pass todays EPA standards? Not now, not ever. Oh and go try and make 1k hp with a windsor using a stock block, stock crank, and stock heads, good luck. Did you know the 4.6 was making over 300 hp 11 years ago? And how do you figure it was developed for fwd applications? Im not even gonna go there with the Z06 trouncing a GT, that was just stupid.
The engine and the rear axle isnt the problem, matter of fact there is no problem. Had the GT500 came out 10 years ago it would be the end all be all. But Ford was selling mustangs like crazy then so they didnt need it. The car is good for what it is. To be honest I am a tad disappointed that it really doesnt outperform a terminator for the most part. But it has awesome potential and looks amazing. Now if we could just do something about those freakin gouging dealers marking them up $20-30k, they would be alot better.
BTW, I totally agree on the road race stang idea, light, IRS, big brakes, and a 400 hp n/a 5.0. I still cant understand why they put so much R&D into that 5.0 mod motor and havent put it in a production car yet.
The vast majority of people use their 03/04 Cobra for daily driving. And that's why IRS.First of all theres alot more people that use their 03/04 cobras for drag racing than you think and Ford knows this.
That's just being an apologist. Lots of manufacturers make IRS setups that handle that kind of power, it's not particularly difficult or expensive.That and building an IRS for a 4k lbs car with 500 hp (not to mention however much hp you would have after a couple bolt ons, people modify their mustangs, Ford knows this too) is no cheap or easy task and would have just drove the cost of the car up even higher.
What numbers would you be referring to? Skidpad? As pointless a measurement as there ever was, it tells very little of the handling story. GT500 is a pig by any definition.And do people even pay attention to the numbers this car pulls with a solid axle? Not bad for a 4k lbs nose heavy car on crappy tires, IRS or not.
Continue to produce a boring product while losing a billion dollars a year and going out of business. What would you do?Your product is totally outdated yet all you have to do is just freshen it up a bit or make a special edition and it sells like hotcakes. What would you do?
Got any data to back that up? Precisely how is a pushrod motor different from an OHC motor in emissions? Last time I checked they burn gasoline in much the same fashion.The mod motor is a great engine, a gigantic step up from the windsor. You think those 300 hp 5.0s would pass todays EPA standards? Not now, not ever.
1) What stock block are you referring to? Sure, the two-bolt late model production 302 is only capable of ~500 rwhp Cry me a river. How does the price of a stronger block compare to the cost of a stock modular?Oh and go try and make 1k hp with a windsor using a stock block, stock crank, and stock heads, good luck.
Please don't tell me you think that's impressive. Especially considering it was a torqueless bastard and required four valves and 7000 RPM to make that number.Did you know the 4.6 was making over 300 hp 11 years ago?
Do your research. How the heck do you think we ended up with a short, fat motor that cannot be significantly bored and requires a very long stroke to achieve 5.4L. If you actually believe it was that poorly designed from the beginning, you are doing the engineers at Ford a disservice.And how do you figure it was developed for fwd applications?
Yeah, I know, it is very stupid -- the GT costs twice as much. Doesn't it suck? I do think the GT is a lot better looking, if that counts for anythingIm not even gonna go there with the Z06 trouncing a GT, that was just stupid.
Except it isn't 10 years ago. It's only a problem if you compare it to other cars. The price point (MSRP, no markup) is comparable to a Corvette, and the performance is not.The engine and the rear axle isnt the problem, matter of fact there is no problem. Had the GT500 came out 10 years ago it would be the end all be all.
Because the only way they got 5.0 from the modular was by using a boring technique that is impractical on a production scale -- 'tis very expensive.I still cant understand why they put so much R&D into that 5.0 mod motor and havent put it in a production car yet.
The vast majority of people use their 03/04 Cobra for daily driving. And that's why IRS.
That's just being an apologist. Lots of manufacturers make IRS setups that handle that kind of power, it's not particularly difficult or expensive.
What numbers would you be referring to? Skidpad? As pointless a measurement as there ever was, it tells very little of the handling story. GT500 is a pig by any definition.
Continue to produce a boring product while losing a billion dollars a year and going out of business. What would you do?
Got any data to back that up? Precisely how is a pushrod motor different from an OHC motor in emissions? Last time I checked they burn gasoline in much the same fashion.
1) What stock block are you referring to? Sure, the two-bolt late model production 302 is only capable of ~500 rwhp Cry me a river. How does the price of a stronger block compare to the cost of a stock modular?
Especially considering it was a torqueless bastard and required four valves and 7000 RPM to make that number.
Do your research. How the heck do you think we ended up with a short, fat motor that cannot be significantly bored and requires a very long stroke to achieve 5.4L. If you actually believe it was that poorly designed from the beginning, you are doing the engineers at Ford a disservice.
Yeah, I know, it is very stupid -- the GT costs twice as much. Doesn't it suck? I do think the GT is a lot better looking, if that counts for anything.
Except it isn't 10 years ago. It's only a problem if you compare it to other cars. The price point (MSRP, no markup) is comparable to a Corvette, and the performance is not.
Because the only way they got 5.0 from the modular was by using a boring technique that is impractical on a production scale -- 'tis very expensive.
You're making my argument for me with that last comment. The Windsor motors had a lot of flexibility to be whatever Ford wanted to make with them. The 5.0 and 5.7 are both short stroke big bore designs. Compare that to the 4.6L which is already square at the smallest available displacement. A Windsor in the same arrangement would displace 6.6L. Ford could easily have produced a Windsor powered GT500 that produced the same 500 bhp and weighed a lot less, by ditching that heavy supercharger, water/air intercooler, and iron block.
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Originally Posted by Rootus
The vast majority of people use their 03/04 Cobra for daily driving. And that's why IRS.
True, but most owners I have delt with would be happier not having the wheel-hop issues and the worry of breaking an axle.
The GT500 still wheel hops.
originally posted by Rootus
I give up. You're smarter than me. End thread.
Originally Posted by almostblown
The GT500 still wheel hops.
That is true, kinda funny, I was hoping nobody would say that. One good thing is its alot easier to cure than on an 03/04 cobra.
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