Tweecer and R/T
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blksn955.o
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Tweecer = basic...you can make changes to the eec.
Tweecer R/T = the one you SHOULD GET.
The R/T (stands for Real Time) is the model that has the data logging ability and without that ability you are tuning in the dark. You can make changes with the non-R/T but you have 0 idea if those changes were correct or how far off you really are. You will not be able to use Eec Annalizer with the non-R/T as it works off the logs.
The best way to describe the non-R/T is this...
stay up for 46hrs straight and someone re-arranges the funature in your house after you go to bed. Set an alarm to go off 4-6hrs after you do go to sleep. Have it so its PITCH black in the room with NO light. Wake up and try to get threw the room without running into any of the furnature.
Now with the R/T in that situation...you dont stay up 46hrs you re-arrange the furnature in the house and go to bed and get a good night sleep. You wake up and walk around the moved furnature and know were its at within inches of you.
Tweecer R/T = the one you SHOULD GET.
The R/T (stands for Real Time) is the model that has the data logging ability and without that ability you are tuning in the dark. You can make changes with the non-R/T but you have 0 idea if those changes were correct or how far off you really are. You will not be able to use Eec Annalizer with the non-R/T as it works off the logs.
The best way to describe the non-R/T is this...
stay up for 46hrs straight and someone re-arranges the funature in your house after you go to bed. Set an alarm to go off 4-6hrs after you do go to sleep. Have it so its PITCH black in the room with NO light. Wake up and try to get threw the room without running into any of the furnature.
Now with the R/T in that situation...you dont stay up 46hrs you re-arrange the furnature in the house and go to bed and get a good night sleep. You wake up and walk around the moved furnature and know were its at within inches of you.
rj95svt
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blksn955.o
Founding Member
If done correctly you should not have any drivability issues. With a dyno tune that generally is done at WOT you will probably run a higher risk per $$$ spent of having drivability issues as those are non WOT things.
You will find yourself demanding 100% factory stock drivability in short order with the control the tweecer gives you. It will take some work but in the end.
1. You learned the maj-ic inside the lil' silver box and will understand more.
2. You can change it however and whenever you want until you are satisfied...just beware...Its like HP...your never done as you find yourself "tinkering" with other things trying to learn more. Its a good thing as you will at that point have a solid foundation and at least one tune to fall back on at a moments notice if you dont like a chagne.
You will find yourself demanding 100% factory stock drivability in short order with the control the tweecer gives you. It will take some work but in the end.
1. You learned the maj-ic inside the lil' silver box and will understand more.
2. You can change it however and whenever you want until you are satisfied...just beware...Its like HP...your never done as you find yourself "tinkering" with other things trying to learn more. Its a good thing as you will at that point have a solid foundation and at least one tune to fall back on at a moments notice if you dont like a chagne.
Stanger007
Founding Member
Boy what a tricky question.
If you want to spend a LOT of time learning and getting the hang of tuning then you might want to look at getting some sort of tuner. You will probably also spend more money going this route than you would for a custom tune.
If you just want to pay a flat fee and be done with it then a custom tune may be what you need.
I'm a computer guy and love fiddling with things so the twEECer works out great for me. I can see how some people would get frustrated quickly and want it to "just work". Nothing wrong with that... different strokes, ya know?
my 2c,
Wes
If you want to spend a LOT of time learning and getting the hang of tuning then you might want to look at getting some sort of tuner. You will probably also spend more money going this route than you would for a custom tune.
If you just want to pay a flat fee and be done with it then a custom tune may be what you need.
I'm a computer guy and love fiddling with things so the twEECer works out great for me. I can see how some people would get frustrated quickly and want it to "just work". Nothing wrong with that... different strokes, ya know?
my 2c,
Wes
Blackened302
Active Member
i'll put it simply:
in my case, my comob isn't radical, but i had lots of driveability issues.
basically: non-r/t let me change fan speeds, idle, and other small things, but i got driveability using my buddy's r/t to datalog.
get the R/T.
in my case, my comob isn't radical, but i had lots of driveability issues.
basically: non-r/t let me change fan speeds, idle, and other small things, but i got driveability using my buddy's r/t to datalog.
get the R/T.
Stanger007
Founding Member
If you decide to get a twEECer, get the R/T. Otherwise you are flying blind.
You would have to be a tuning god like Don LaSota to be able to tune without any sort of view on what the computer is doing (or thinking it is doing).
Wes
You would have to be a tuning god like Don LaSota to be able to tune without any sort of view on what the computer is doing (or thinking it is doing).
Wes
StinkinLincoln
Member
getting someone else to tune for you is much easier LOL thx wes LOL
it just takes alot of patience and knowledge. think about this...
tweecer r/t $550
wideband $200
laptop $200
eec analyzer and binary editor $100
its gonna cost you around 1K to tune it yourself...pay someone else and its around $500.
make some changes, like you want some nitrous, oops gotta get it tuned again, o i got an auto and changed my rear gears and its hitting the rev limiter on the shifts, gonna pay another fee.
get the tweecer and you can do it all urself, just takes alot of time and even more patience and willingness to learn, and a ungodly amount of reading.
it just takes alot of patience and knowledge. think about this...
tweecer r/t $550
wideband $200
laptop $200
eec analyzer and binary editor $100
its gonna cost you around 1K to tune it yourself...pay someone else and its around $500.
make some changes, like you want some nitrous, oops gotta get it tuned again, o i got an auto and changed my rear gears and its hitting the rev limiter on the shifts, gonna pay another fee.
get the tweecer and you can do it all urself, just takes alot of time and even more patience and willingness to learn, and a ungodly amount of reading.
94-302-vert
Active Member
OK, I have a laptop so if I buy a twEECer r/t used ($400-$450) I knew that eventually I would also need the WB... What is the EEC analyzer, I thought this was something I could get free???
StinkinLincoln
Member
you can download Cal-edit and Cal-con from the tweecer website, its the program that comes w/ tweecer, its free to use.
i can send you my stock tune and you can look at it with caledit and make changes. calcon is your datalogging software.
eec analyzer is another program that was made and does the same thing along with binary editor, except it is much easier to use, it help you out w/ the tuning. give it datalogs, more the better and it makes changes and you input the changes and bam ur tuned pretty much. its $100 for the two programs.
i can send you my stock tune and you can look at it with caledit and make changes. calcon is your datalogging software.
eec analyzer is another program that was made and does the same thing along with binary editor, except it is much easier to use, it help you out w/ the tuning. give it datalogs, more the better and it makes changes and you input the changes and bam ur tuned pretty much. its $100 for the two programs.
94-302-vert
Active Member
blksn955.o
Founding Member
EA takes the Datalog you created with the tweecerR/T and calculates suggestions to make to the tune. It may take a few datalog sessions to get things totaly worked out but it is one GREAT tool to get things close ALOT faster and with alot less headache. You still need to take the time and understand WHY your making the changes and it has great help files for that as well.
Stanger007
Founding Member
EECAnalyzer is a pretty nifty program. It's not right 100% of the time and what it gives you is only as good as the numbers you put into it.
I can't imagine fine-tuning without it!
It and BinaryEditor together are quite a pair.
Wes
I can't imagine fine-tuning without it!
It and BinaryEditor together are quite a pair.
Wes
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