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Engine Valve Chatter Noise

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Carson93Fox

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Just did a b303 cam and explorer gt40 heads and intake swap a few days ago. You can hear a chattering noise under the valve covers at idle. Took the valve covers off and all rockers were getting oil. Went ahead and loosened and re-torqued the rockers to 23lb-ft and the sound is still present. The springs are the trick flow set #TFS-2500100. I have a video of what it sounds like attached. Any idea of what could be causing this?

View: https://youtu.be/T3gUSZht_mc
 

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Did you check for pushrod length?
I probably also would have done some ford racing roller rockers while you had it apart.
 

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sometimes you need to shim the rockers. What did the valve swipe look like.
are the heads or intake milled?
 

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2000xp8 said:
Did you check for pushrod length?
I probably also would have done some ford racing roller rockers while you had it apart.
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No didn’t check the length sadly. I read a lot of people used stock pushrods with my same setup so I had assumed I was okay with that part.
 

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mikestang63 said:
sometimes you need to shim the rockers. What did the valve swipe look like.
are the heads or intake milled?
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Didn’t check that when I had the covers off but the heads and intake aren’t milled as far as I know. Came off of a junkyard explorer so idk haha
 

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Michael Yount’s valve adjustment procedure

Here's an easy way to determine this. Start with the #1 cylinder. Rotate the engine with a ratchet on the crank bolt clockwise. Watch the #1 pushrods. First the exhaust pushrod will rise and fall signaling what would be the exhaust valve opening and closing if the rocker were on. As it closes the intake pushrod will rise -- keep rotating clockwise until the intake pushrod falls and is level with the exhaust pushrod - both at the same height. Both lifters are now on the base circle of the cam - both valves would be closed if the rockers were on.

Now, install both rockers. Tighten the bolts with one hand while rocking the rocker with the other hand - continue until you reach the point where you can't 'rock' the rocker any more because there's no gap on the valve stem end or the pushrod end. You are at zero lash - i.e. - no gaps. Stop tightening just as you reach this point.

Now, put your torque wrench on the bolt and tighten it to 18-20 ft-lbs while counting the number of turns it takes to reach the torque. You should hit the torque within 1/4 to 1 turn of the bolt. If it takes more than 1 turn, use a shim to raise the rocker -- each .030" shim will reduce the number of turns to torque by about 1/4 turn. If you reach the torque in less than a 1/4 turn, or you have trouble reaching zero lash even at full torque, then you'll either need longer pushrods, or to CAREFULLY remove some material from the bottom of the rocker fulcrum. Using the procedure described above, you will work through the remaining 7 pairs of rockers. If you follow the firing order, it will minimize the manual cranking you have to do to get the lifters on the base circle of the cam prior to installation of the next pair.

When I first went through mine, 13 of them took no shims; 3 of them took 1 .030" shim. Upon cranking it up, one or two of them sounded a bit noisier than I thought was right, so with the engine hot, I pulled the upper off, and the valve covers, and went through the installation procedure again. That time, 11 of them took no shims; 4 of them took one .030", and one of them took one .060" shim. And they were very quiet running.

Good luck with it.
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No didn’t check the length sadly. I read a lot of people used stock pushrods with my same setup so I had assumed I was okay with that part.
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you slapped on a JY intake and heads without having them checked and decked for straightness?
what do the valves and guides look like
did you put new valve seals on
do a valve job or at least lap the valves
 

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Part of the reason I thought he should just goto ford racing roller rockers was because if you are going through the effort to shim them, might as well have good rockers.
 

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mikestang63 said:
you slapped on a JY intake and heads without having them checked and decked for straightness?
what do the valves and guides look like
did you put new valve seals on
do a valve job or at least lap the valves
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Valves and guides looked fine there wasn’t any play with the valve in the guide. I did put new valve seals on and I lapped the valves and checked for leaks and they all sealed.
 
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