Western Motorsports ECM

stangbangerrick · Oct 25, 2010

I came across this web site for mustangs, WMS they are located in Canada. They have a tuning system that replaces the factory ECM and it cost $1149.00 plus shipping. Does anyone have experience using their tuning system? I'm thinking about getting this system so I can be the master of my own tuning. I know about PMS, Quaterhorse, Tweecer, AEM and others like Fast. Some of these system piggy backs with the OEM computer and other replace the computer, this system is the best price for those that replace the factory ECM.

Western Motorsports - SDS System

bayellowstang · Oct 25, 2010

I've never heard of them on any of the tuning/mustang forums I visit. It sounds interesting but I don't like the idea of that little screen. I see it also uses a knock sensor. Where would you put one of those on our cars? Would it work properly?

Are you carbed now and need a whole harness? Just wondering why you want a standalone system when there is much more knowledge of the QH/tweecer/pms.

revhead347 · Oct 25, 2010

Looks a lot like the new standalone system from F.A.S.T. with the small screen. The only advantage I see over the Moates is the removal of the MAF and the knock sensor. Questionable advantages anyway.

Kurt

stangbangerrick · Oct 26, 2010

bayellowstang said:
I've never heard of them on any of the tuning/mustang forums I visit. It sounds interesting but I don't like the idea of that little screen. I see it also uses a knock sensor. Where would you put one of those on our cars? Would it work properly?

Are you carbed now and need a whole harness? Just wondering why you want a standalone system when there is much more knowledge of the QH/tweecer/pms.

I have a 331 stroker 95 mustang gt and had it dyno tuned cost $540.00. Later on the computer went bad and replaced it but now the A/F are out of wack, tuner said it will cost $200.00 to touch-up the tune on the chip. If I buy the quaterhorse or tweecer, it will cost close to $900.00 ( chip, software, LM1, and laptop) PMS are 10 o/o off until Oct 31 from Anderson Motorsports, these system still use the factory ECU and with the Q/H or Tweecer you need to do a lot of reading and trial and error. The PMS some have good luck and others not so much. The AEM $1500-1600, and others are very expensive. I was hoping that someone here is using this system so I could get some feedback on its tuning performance. As for the knock sensor I would think that you would just disable that feature just as you would disable the EGR if you delete it from your engine. I have not yet made a decicion on which tuning system to get, but I do value input from the StagNet community on this subject.

nmcgrawj · Oct 26, 2010

Well if you can't find anyone to review it...imagine your struggles with tuning problems and getting advice.

Just a few comments on your comments...

-moates qh can not be quoted as the same price. The qh itself is cheaper. You should be able to find a dirt cheap laptop to tune with. You don't need anything fancy. Craigslist ftw

-you comment on "still using the stock EEC" like it's a downgrade. You have to have needs beyond what the stock EEC can do for that to be true. Otherwise, I don't see it as a bad thing.

-the pms does piggy back....but it goes standalone at wot. So again....can a stock (well stock hardware) EEC handle your part throttle and idle for your engine combo?

-quarterhorse and tweecer are complex...but an entire new stand alone system is not? :headscratch:

If I were you I'd figure out my hardware needs. Then look at support. No self tuning route will be trouble free. The tweecer/qh has a great support community. Same with the pms(is stangtuning still running?) I LOVE the pms cause it's so damn easy to use.

If you can't find people using it...that may be telling you something. The tweecer and aren't popular for no reason.

nmcgrawj · Nov 14, 2010

any updates?

stangbangerrick · Nov 17, 2010

Just got back in town and I just started a new job with United Road Auto Transport. Will be delivering new Ford vehicles. So my 95 stang is on hold, but I'm leaning toward the SDS system from Western Motorsports. They have excellent support and I have done some research on the web and it looks real good. As for tuning when you order their system you have to fill out a set-up sheet that details your engine and drive line and they put in a base tune to get you up and running. I will be needing a wide band 02 sensor to dial-in the perfect air/fuel ratiol but thats ok. I'm willing to use my car as the test vehicle and will keep posting updates as I make progress using this system.

final5-0 · Nov 17, 2010

A few thoughts for anyone wanting to self tune

That goes beyond

WHICH interface do I use to tune with

Most want to find a way to tune with little or no knowledge of .........
WHY to tune

It seems to be a thought process kinda like .........

One interface or software program is gonna be better than all the others
cause it will make tuning ... SO EASY ...
All I gotta do is push a button or select something from a drop down menu

Technology is not the answer to what we speak of here

True ... We need technology behind the tuning method
but
We need to focus on what was said above about WHY to tune :Word:

This is where NO interface or program is gonna help a rookie self tuner

One just starting out with self tuning needs some basic knowledge not given
with ANY of the self tuning methods found today

You know ... One has to gotta ask the basic questions like .......
Does it need more fuel
Does it need less fuel
Does it need more spark
Does it need less spark
etc

If one wants to self tune and be worth a dime at it .......

They need to get a bit of basic knowledge for two categories
1) How does the pcm work
2) How is my Stang gonna react to my various tuning changes

The Why should always come before the How of tuning

Example: Why won't my h/c/i Stang give me a stable idle any longer

Answer: When you have a basic understanding of ......

How the pcm controls various idle parameters
then
You can see how the h/c/i have pushed the pcm beyond its limits
and
You then have an idea of where to start with your tuning changes

One should not expect to become proficient at self tuning
without
An investment in a bit of basic knowledge of WHY to make change

I guess that is enough for now
and
Comments or Thoughts ... as always ... Are Welcomed

Grady

2002BLGT · Nov 18, 2010

stangbangerrick said:
Just got back in town and I just started a new job with United Road Auto Transport. Will be delivering new Ford vehicles. So my 95 stang is on hold, but I'm leaning toward the SDS system from Western Motorsports. They have excellent support and I have done some research on the web and it looks real good. As for tuning when you order their system you have to fill out a set-up sheet that details your engine and drive line and they put in a base tune to get you up and running. I will be needing a wide band 02 sensor to dial-in the perfect air/fuel ratiol but thats ok. I'm willing to use my car as the test vehicle and will keep posting updates as I make progress using this system.

Hey this is Willie down here in Bedford , you had called me a few times about your car and your chip , I will have my dyno up and running hopefully by the end of Jan. if you want to bring it down then and let me check it over in person

2002BLGT · Nov 18, 2010

revhead347 said:
Looks a lot like the new standalone system from F.A.S.T. with the small screen. The only advantage I see over the Moates is the removal of the MAF and the knock sensor. Questionable advantages anyway.

Kurt

Knock sensor ? WHERE ?

revhead347 · Nov 19, 2010

2002BLGT said:
Knock sensor ? WHERE ?

Says in the details list that you can add a knock sensor.

Kurt

2002BLGT · Nov 19, 2010

Didnt see that , but either way there is no ideal place in the intake valley to install one on a 5.0

toyman · Nov 20, 2010

There was I believe a knock sensor on the 5.0 L F-150 in these years. I don't know where it was located or whether other 5.0 blocks are tapped for the sensor. If I were to install one I would use Ford's sensor and mount it where the F-150 sensor is located.

HISSIN50 · Nov 20, 2010

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