It wouldn't ping as it does with 8* base timing, and 20 overall controlled by the chip. i've been putting 104 octane boost in her for the past two tanks. It runs really really cool too. I just don't know. I've posted this already many times, and have checked everything suggested by you guys. I've talked to people at the local stang shop and keep getting told to check the same things i've already checked, ie: timing, fuel pressure, fuel filter, o2 sensors, ACT, ECT, MaF, pull the chip to see if its that, check my grounds, check for vaccumm leaks. No one has yet to mention anything mechanial though like valves or push rods or something. I think i'll pull the vc's and see if any pushrods are bent or anything. sorry for the length, please help.