What Kind Of Cams You Guys Running?

BLK00STANG · Feb 1, 2004

Im looking to get a set of cams for my 2000 gt...i have/had an opportunity to get a set of shm cams 230/230 @.50 las 114 degrees... sweet deal on these..however, when i spoke to those rude asses at shm i was told these cams are great.........just wouldnt be noticeable at idle...i kinda wanted the nice sound..the gurgle, without having my idle all over the place...he said they were in a 2001 s281 and made 30 rwhp....any ideas what i should do?? btw i know with some cams they require you to have certain mods... i have a complete exhaust( lt's, flows dumps, k&n aircharger, pro m 80mm, accufab throttle body/ intake plenum/ 3.73's etc....thanks in advance

98GTfromGA · Feb 1, 2004

ummm those cams will lope like crazy. i think what they meant to say was that you'll have to get the computer tuned to make it idle

Roush97 · Feb 1, 2004

i was running the shm blower cams... .495 lift 230 duration and they had a beautiful lope to them, i have a video if you would like to hear it...im in the process of switching over to a VT custom grind

KaPPaBaLL · Feb 1, 2004

I've heard bad comments from various people about SHM. Even a guy that used to work there doesn't recommend them. I'd go VT or Comp Cams.

BLK00STANG · Feb 2, 2004

98GTfromGA said:
ummm those cams will lope like crazy. i think what they meant to say was that you'll have to get the computer tuned to make it idle

actually these are the mild race cams and i was told the lope would be barely noticeable. also they are a direct replacement, meaning no computer upgrade.

VTEngine · Feb 2, 2004

I worked there for 3 years.............and YES those cams lope. You'll require a custom tune for optimum idle characteristics and power. They have less lift than your stock cams, but more duration. Not the best choice for n/a power IMHO. However, if it's a good deal, then bonus.

TJM01 · Feb 2, 2004

I bought a set of those cams when Scotty was working there. Yeah they lope and you don't need valve springs but I didn't feel the power was there with my blower.

So now I sold them and I'm getting a set of VT stage 1 blower cams and crower springs.

BTW - SHM customer support went down the crapper after Scott left.

BLK00STANG · Feb 2, 2004

VTEngine said:
I worked there for 3 years.............and YES those cams lope. You'll require a custom tune for optimum idle characteristics and power. They have less lift than your stock cams, but more duration. Not the best choice for n/a power IMHO. However, if it's a good deal, then bonus.

$350.00 including shipping....if not these cams, what would you suggest..i just got off the phone with jim......btw.....i would need a chip for custom tune??? i have the timing adjuster. the cams i was looking at were the 2730's the guy at shm said they wouldnt lope.....all i want to know is will it make power?? and will the sound be noticeable? thanks for the responses

VTEngine · Feb 2, 2004

Yes they will lope. Don't know who you were talkin' to there, but they WILL lope! Yes they will add SOME power, but not alot n/a. They work okay with a blower, but n/a they don't pick up much (maybe ~10rwhp). I'd personally recommend saving a bit more and getting a camshaft more designed for your car. Those cams were originally designed for the pre-PI heads (FRPP and non-PI). Hence, the reason for the low lift #'s.

BLK00STANG · Feb 2, 2004

VTEngine said:
Yes they will lope. Don't know who you were talkin' to there, but they WILL lope! Yes they will add SOME power, but not alot n/a. They work okay with a blower, but n/a they don't pick up much (maybe ~10rwhp). I'd personally recommend saving a bit more and getting a camshaft more designed for your car. Those cams were originally designed for the pre-PI heads (FRPP and non-PI). Hence, the reason for the low lift #'s.

Just got off the phone with brian at powerhouse performance....im gonna forget the shm cams and go with a cam from you guys....brian is gonna be calling today with my specs...i really appreciate the info guys....i have a ton invested in the car and tend to get the wrong things...i am glad i waited to get more information..

jimfitzgerald · Feb 2, 2004

If you're going to the trouble of getting cams, get the correct ones for your application. Scott or Jim at VT can fix you up.

BLK00STANG · Feb 2, 2004

would i still need a chip if i have a timing adjuster???
if i did get a chip with the dyno tune, would i need the timing adjuster???

ModularGT · Feb 2, 2004

I am getting Stage 1 Blower cams from VT.
I ordered the Stage 1 NA cams and now want to get heads and blow the car in the future. Scott said he would exchange the cams I bought with the ones I wanted(after I changed my mind). He doesn't have to, but is.. That is customer service and another reason to go with VT. Not only is everyone getting good numbers out of their cams, but the service is there also. This type of helpful customer service orientated business is hard to come by and I for one will be a poster child for VT for a long time.

nickthegenius · Feb 2, 2004

BLK00STANG said:
would i still need a chip if i have a timing adjuster???
if i did get a chip with the dyno tune, would i need the timing adjuster???

I'm not sure what you're going to accomplish with the timing adjuster with your cams?

Timing adjuster= ignition timing

It has nothing to do with the cam timing. I think you're confusing your ignition timing adjuster with an adjustable cam sprocket like most of the import tuners use. Most of the people that have installed cams have idle problems. Either they die at stoplights or the EEC wants to make the engine idle at like 1000-1200 RPM. This is one of the main things to be corrected with the dyno-tune in addition to correcting A/F and everything else your car will need to extract the most power out of it.

When I get my Comps installed in my '03, I'm taking the car to Apten in St. Louis.

BLK00STANG · Feb 2, 2004

nickthegenius said:
I'm not sure what you're going to accomplish with the timing adjuster with your cams?

Timing adjuster= ignition timing

It has nothing to do with the cam timing. I think you're confusing your ignition timing adjuster with an adjustable cam sprocket like most of the import tuners use. Most of the people that have installed cams have idle problems. Either they die at stoplights or the EEC wants to make the engine idle at like 1000-1200 RPM. This is one of the main things to be corrected with the dyno-tune in addition to correcting A/F and everything else your car will need to extract the most power out of it.

When I get my Comps installed in my '03, I'm taking the car to Apten in St. Louis.

I already have the t/a.....with the new cams. would i need to ditch my t/a and get a chip so i can get a dyno tune???

VTEngines · Feb 2, 2004

The timing adjuster won't be required after a dyno tuned chip. Some will leave it on and take out timing manually for crappier gas or small hit's of spray.

BLK00STANG · Feb 3, 2004

VTEngines said:
The timing adjuster won't be required after a dyno tuned chip. Some will leave it on and take out timing manually for crappier gas or small hit's of spray.

if i port and polish the my stock heads, would i be able to get the stage 2 cams or would i need an upgraded intake??? also, if i got the stage 1, would i benefit from a port and polish?? thanks for your time

VTEngine · Feb 3, 2004

BLK00STANG said:
if i port and polish the my stock heads, would i be able to get the stage 2 cams or would i need an upgraded intake??? also, if i got the stage 1, would i benefit from a port and polish?? thanks for your time

The stage one cams will work well with porting of the heads. Anytime you can increase airflow through the engine, it is going to make more power. The stock intake is restrictive of the stage2 cams, however, with an upper plunum swap and throttle body (ie: Accufab), the intakes work quite well. All depends on how aggressive you want your car. Either way, you're going to see a wicked increase in top end performance.

BLK00STANG · Feb 3, 2004

VTEngine said:
The stage one cams will work well with porting of the heads. Anytime you can increase airflow through the engine, it is going to make more power. The stock intake is restrictive of the stage2 cams, however, with an upper plunum swap and throttle body (ie: Accufab), the intakes work quite well. All depends on how aggressive you want your car. Either way, you're going to see a wicked increase in top end performance.

scott, i want to say i appreciate all your advice and help...under the hood as it pertains to cams and/or heads. k&n air charger, pro m 80mm, cai to throttle body, accufab throttle body/ intake plenum, mac ceramic long tubes, mac shorty h pipe, flowmaster, dumps, 3.73's, t/a, pullies.. with this in mind, what would be my best course of action??

btw the car is mostly a show car... i have $22,000 invested in mods to date and without sounding ridiculous, want to try and not spend too much more...

VTEngine · Feb 3, 2004

BLK00STANG said:
scott, i want to say i appreciate all your advice and help...under the hood as it pertains to cams and/or heads. k&n air charger, pro m 80mm, cai to throttle body, accufab throttle body/ intake plenum, mac ceramic long tubes, mac shorty h pipe, flowmaster, dumps, 3.73's, t/a, pullies.. with this in mind, what would be my best course of action??

btw the car is mostly a show car... i have $22,000 invested in mods to date and without sounding ridiculous, want to try and not spend too much more...

Honestly, for your car, I'd personally run the stage2 heads with the stage1 cams. It's not raced on a regular basis, so I think the stage1's will give you the power you want, the sound you want, and the drivability characteristics you demand. My .02.

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