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Forgive my ignorance, but what would happen if I eliminated my egr valve with one of those trick products on ebay?
 

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You would no longer see codes, but the computer would still lean out the fuel mixture and advance the timing. The only way to shut down the EGR is to disable it in the computer by a custom dyno tuned chip, Tweecer or other programming device.

Some basic theory to clarify how things work is in order…

The EGR shuts off at Wide Open Throttle (WOT), so it has minimal effect on performance. The addition of exhaust gas drops combustion temperature, increases gas mileage and reduces the tendency of the engine to ping. It can also reduce HC emissions by reducing fuel consumption. The primary result of EGR usage is a reduction in NOx emissions.

The EGR system has a vacuum source (line from the intake manifold) that goes to the EVR, computer operated electronic vacuum regulator. The EVR is located on the back of the passenger side shock strut tower. The computer uses RPM, Load. and some other factors to tell the EVR to pass vacuum to open the EGR valve. The EGR valve and the passages in the heads and intake manifold route exhaust gas to the EGR spacer (throttle body spacer). The EGR sensor tells the computer how far the EGR valve is open. Then computer adjusts the signal sent to the EVR to hold, increase or decrease the vacuum. The computer adds spark advance to compensate for the recirculated gases and the slower rate they burn at.

There should be no vacuum at the EGR valve when at idle. If there is, the EVR (electronic vacuum regulator) mounted on the backside of the passenger side wheelwell is suspect. Check the vacuum line plumbing to make sure the previous owner didn’t cross the vacuum lines.

Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds. (the diagram says 88 GT, but the EGR part is the same for 86-93 Mustangs)


The EGR sensor is basically a variable resistor, like the volume control on a radio. One end is 5 volt VREF power from the computer (red/orange wire). One end is computer signal ground (black/white), and the middle wire (brown/lt green) is the signal output from the EGR sensor. It is designed to always have some small voltage output from it anytime the ignition switch is the Run position. That way the computer knows the sensor & the wiring is OK. No voltage on computer pin 27 (brown/lt green wire) and the computer thinks the sensor is bad or the wire is broken and sets code 31. The voltage output can range from approximately .6-.85 volt.


EGR test procedure courtesy of cjones

to check the EGR valve:
bring the engine to normal temp.
connect a vacuum pump to the EGR Valve
apply 5in vacuum to the valve.
if engine stumbled or died then EGR Valve and passage(there is a passageway through the heads and intake) are good.
if engine did NOT stumble or die then either the EGR Valve is bad and/or the passage is blocked.
if engine stumbled, connect vacuum gauge to the hose coming off of the EGR Valve
snap throttle to 2500 RPM (remember snap the throttle don't hold it there).
did the vacuum gauge show about 2-5 in vacuum?

if not, check for manifold vacuum at the EGR vacuum valve.
if you have manifold vacuum then connect vacuum gauge to the EGR valve side of the vacuum valve and snap throttle to 2500 RPM.
should read about 2-5 in vacuum
 

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So, I f I have an off road x-pipe, and I replace the egr valve with a trick pin, is this good or bad?
 

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turp23 said:
So, I f I have an off road x-pipe, and I replace the egr valve with a trick pin, is this good or bad?
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If this is all being asked solely because of the desire to install an O/R pipe, it should be moot.

Good luck.
 

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It has been a while since I have thought about this, so my memory is a little foggy


I have been under the impression that when there is an EVP (EGR Position sensor) error, the EGR system is deactivated, the same way it would be deactivated with a custom chip...



Above is the table from the GUFB showing Alternate Failure Strategies.
The Alternat Strategy called 'EGR - Disabled' is used when ANY sensor fails. Basically, if anything except the O2 fails, the EGR system is deactivated.


Again, I need confirmation on this, as my memory is hazy in this matter.

If all of my above comments are correct, then simply unplugging the EVP would disable the EGR. (Not that I recommend this, as there are no performance gains to be made by disabling the EGR system)



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