Will a T45 fit in a .......

[93 Stangvert]

Fox body? If so what would it take other than the typical Crossover stuff. ie: Clutch-brake pedal, Crossmember,ECT....

 

[93 Stangvert]

Damn, No-one knows? i can get on really cheap so i thopught i would ask. i guess on to somewhere else.

P.S. yes i did do a search and it came up with 2 things totally unrelated to my search so the search function sucks for some searches

 

[wake]

I dont think anyone has done it because the tranny is not that good.

 

[Funanin]

and, it wont fit.

 

[5.0 Nostalgia]

Let me ellaborate on the previous posts.

The transmission sucks. My 96 GT had 34,000 miles. 5th gear blew for absolutely no reason. I bought the car from an older man that never drove it hard.

It won't fit. It has an integrated bellhousing that that will not bolt up to a 302 block.

 

[5spd GT]

I'm not exactly sure why the T-45 is a bad transmission...I had one and had no problems...just because one had a problem with it (most likely user error)...doesn't mean they are a bad trans...

In short the T-45 is a slightly beefier design than the T5...

 

[5.0 Nostalgia]

(most likely user error)...doesn't mean they are a bad trans...

In short the T-45 is a slightly beefier design than the T5...

Thanks for accusing me of breaking my transmission, but it wasn't missed. Fully released clutch, perfectly executed shift. BANG!! GONE!! To top it off, the thing never shifted right after I got it back. Sent it back three times because the POS kept getting stuck in reverse and popping out of gear. I have heard of others having problems with them. Maybe that's why they are cheap. Not a good transmission.

 

[5spd GT]

Thanks for accusing me of breaking my transmission, but it wasn't missed. Fully released clutch, perfectly executed shift. BANG!! GONE!! To top it off, the thing never shifted right after I got it back. Sent it back three times because the POS kept getting stuck in reverse and popping out of gear. I have heard of others having problems with them. Maybe that's why they are cheap. Not a good transmission.

You will fine much more complaints for the t5 than the t45...I promise...

The t45 trans is a better designed T5...

The fact of the matter is that you either had a "lemon" trans or you did something to it...usually in the heat of the moment of "spirited driving" your not going to know where exactly the clutch is engaged or how you shifted it and when...unless your a slow shifter

Yes the T45 has a problem with engaging reverse sometimes but never got your problems...I have a couple other friends with 96+ mustangs and they don't have your problems and one powershifts it...

User error is the more likely cause but yet not ruling out the lemon trans you could have gotten...

"Not a good transmission"...that is a stereotypical response because you had a problem with it...if you look hard enough your going to find things wrong with any trans at one point or another...especially in mass produced vehicle parts...it just happens...

And why were you shifting in 5th gear? Every stanger knows 5th gear ='s

 

[5.0 Nostalgia]

5 spd, I understand you questioning why my t45 blew. Most times people break them because of user error. But this time it wasn't like that. In fact, it happened when I was test driving the car before I bought it!! Regular shift into 5th gear (the first I had taken with it) and BOOM! I know what you are thinking, the guy was trying to pull one over. However, the guy felt terrible about it happening and paid for the entire rebuild. He even told me that he can understand if I didn't want the car. Like I said before, the car was never driven hard. Even after it was rebuilt, I still had problems with it.

I think you need to grow up a little. You always seem to get into arguments with people. And every time, you are always right (in your mind).

If you want to debate, I can go through your points one at a time. Yes, there are more complaints about t5s. But there should be considering that they came in Mustangs for 13 years and have been for sale in the aftermarket for years. In your second point you came as close as you could to actually admitting I had a bad trans, but your main point was that I broke my trans. Good argument considering you have absolutely nothing to prove this but speculation. Your next point admits that the transmission had reverse issues. Then you go on to further mention that you think I broke my t45. As I stated from the facts, the shift that broke the transmission was perfectly executed. In your next argument, you state that I have made a "stereotypical" statement. This is an incorrect use of the word. A stereotypical statement is based on a hasty generalization that supports a prejudice that is not really backed up by fact. However the FACT that this thing blew up helps me to support the opinion. I am not going to say that knowone has had luck with a t45, but I didn't and they are pretty cheap so others must not have. I have also heard from people that have had more experience than you and I put together that these transmissions are known to have problems with 5th and reverse. A stereotypical comment would have been if I said the t45 is junk but never owned one. And I didn't have to "look very hard" to find out that I couldn't get the car out of fourth cause pieces of the 5th gear dog teeth were jamming up the gearbox. In your last comment you asked why I was shifting into 5th. If this was just a joke, fine, no offense taken. If you were assuming I was beating on the car and quicked shifted to 5th, I know better than to do that. Again, no offense taken.

Just relax a little man.

 

[Mustang5L5]

I dont think anyone has done it because the tranny is not that good.

The t-45 is a bit stronger then the T-5 (330 ft-lbs) and has a synchroed reverse.

None of the parts will swap except the shifters. Tremec designed the T-45 with the T-5 in mind, but uses a shift rail system much like the TKO. (t-5 was designed by Borg Warner...separate compaines until 1997). It's still a crappy trans.

And no it will not swap. The T-45 and T-3650 use integrated bellhousings that only mate to the 4.6L Block.

Look into G-force upgrades for the T-5.

 

[strtracer442]

I belong to another board here in Detroit that has a lot of Mod motor cars. Everyone of them that runs the T45 has had breakage after minor power upgrades, and the wait to get warrenty replacements from Ford has been as much as 6 weeks.

 

[5spd GT]

5 spd, I understand you questioning why my t45 blew. Most times people break them because of user error. But this time it wasn't like that. In fact, it happened when I was test driving the car before I bought it!! Regular shift into 5th gear (the first I had taken with it) and BOOM! I know what you are thinking, the guy was trying to pull one over. However, the guy felt terrible about it happening and paid for the entire rebuild. He even told me that he can understand if I didn't want the car. Like I said before, the car was never driven hard. Even after it was rebuilt, I still had problems with it.

I think you need to grow up a little. You always seem to get into arguments with people. And every time, you are always right (in your mind).

If you want to debate, I can go through your points one at a time. Yes, there are more complaints about t5s. But there should be considering that they came in Mustangs for 13 years and have been for sale in the aftermarket for years. In your second point you came as close as you could to actually admitting I had a bad trans, but your main point was that I broke my trans. Good argument considering you have absolutely nothing to prove this but speculation. Your next point admits that the transmission had reverse issues. Then you go on to further mention that you think I broke my t45. As I stated from the facts, the shift that broke the transmission was perfectly executed. In your next argument, you state that I have made a "stereotypical" statement. This is an incorrect use of the word. A stereotypical statement is based on a hasty generalization that supports a prejudice that is not really backed up by fact. However the FACT that this thing blew up helps me to support the opinion. I am not going to say that knowone has had luck with a t45, but I didn't and they are pretty cheap so others must not have. I have also heard from people that have had more experience than you and I put together that these transmissions are known to have problems with 5th and reverse. A stereotypical comment would have been if I said the t45 is junk but never owned one. And I didn't have to "look very hard" to find out that I couldn't get the car out of fourth cause pieces of the 5th gear dog teeth were jamming up the gearbox. In your last comment you asked why I was shifting into 5th. If this was just a joke, fine, no offense taken. If you were assuming I was beating on the car and quicked shifted to 5th, I know better than to do that. Again, no offense taken.

Just relax a little man.

To start off...the reason why I get in so many "arguments" is because people put "swayed opinions" of things without any other reasoning behind it...for example some people don't like certain intakes because it didn't match their combo well so they say it is a "bad intake"...or when someone says they broke their transmission when going into 5th gear in a T45 and then say the T45 is a "bad transmission"...see where I'm coming from?

If the t45 is so bad why isn't everybody experiencing the problem you did?

Another thing...you put..."Thanks for accusing me of breaking my transmission, but it wasn't missed. Fully released clutch, perfectly executed shift. BANG!! GONE!!" AND THEN YOU PUT..."Regular shift into 5th gear (the first I had taken with it) and BOOM!"...

The above (referring to the first quote of you) appears to be that you were speed shifting saying it was a perfectly executed shift...and the second says you were "regular shifting"...and again it could have been a bad trans to begine with or the guy really did beat on it or he just didn't know how to shift it properly...

You test driving and 5th gear going out in it on the same day while driving "regular" would be pretty rare to say the least...but not impossible...

Oh and I am relaxed...I just don't appreciate "bias" post with no real backing...and just a personal experience...there is nothing wrong with a personal experience...but generalizing the T45 transmission as a "bad transmission" because of your personal experience is not a good reason to "stereotype" all T45's...

I used "stereotyping" correctly...because of you experience with one thing (transmission) you say they are all bad...that is how racism gets started also

 

[Funanin]

OMG SHUT UP! T-45 is better than T-5 cuz its newer and designed better. STOCK FOR STOCK. Now if u take into consideration the T-5 is much more popular because it was used in so many more years of production than the t-45, maybe that is why it has special rebuild kits and a newer "world class" version. In my mind, T-45 is the same as the T-5. GOOD FOR THE YEAR IT CAME IN. You do anything motor wise to a mustang and leave the stock T-5 or T-45 in, they are done.

 

[5.0 Nostalgia]

By saying that you have had a good experience with the 2000 GT you used to have, aren't you doing the same thing as I did? Mine broke prematurely and continued to have problems after the rebuilt, therefore it left a bad taste in my mouth. Judging by what others have posted here and what others have told me about their experiences, I have concluded that the t-45 is prone to failure. Not in all, but they are problematic. You said in the last post that I have "no real backing," what more do you want? Yours was fine and left you feeling good about it. You saying it's a good transmission is the same as me saying it's is bad transmission, it's an OPINION. That's it.

I am sorry if you misunderstood my first post of how the transmission broke. I know that some people will describe a powershift as "perfectly executed" but that was not the case here. When it let go, the car was not being driven hard. I was going doing about 2,000 - 2,500 rpms at about 1/4 throttle.

Also, you shouldn't have used the word stereotyping in the first place. It is a negative term that has become associated with a much bigger problem that has no place in America or anywhere in the world. We're not talking about something that important to society here, just the quality of a transmission.

 

[1986LX2002]

T45 makes a great boat anchor! Get a built T5 or a new Tremec

 

[5spd GT]

By saying that you have had a good experience with the 2000 GT you used to have, aren't you doing the same thing as I did? Mine broke prematurely and continued to have problems after the rebuilt, therefore it left a bad taste in my mouth. Judging by what others have posted here and what others have told me about their experiences, I have concluded that the t-45 is prone to failure. Not in all, but they are problematic. You said in the last post that I have "no real backing," what more do you want? Yours was fine and left you feeling good about it. You saying it's a good transmission is the same as me saying it's is bad transmission, it's an OPINION. That's it.

I am sorry if you misunderstood my first post of how the transmission broke. I know that some people will describe a powershift as "perfectly executed" but that was not the case here. When it let go, the car was not being driven hard. I was going doing about 2,000 - 2,500 rpms at about 1/4 throttle.

Also, you shouldn't have used the word stereotyping in the first place. It is a negative term that has become associated with a much bigger problem that has no place in America or anywhere in the world. We're not talking about something that important to society here, just the quality of a transmission.

Its not just my 2000 Gt that lets me take up for the T45 being a "bad transmission"...if you look in my previous post I put "I have a couple other friends with 96+ mustangs and they don't have your problems and one powershifts it..." And when I had the 4.6L (2000)...I was in the 4.6L section OFTEN...and still frequent the place and I read and read on everything there was about them...and the T45 from my conclusion is not a "bad transmission"...it serves the same function as a T5 (it just happens to be beefier)...and to elaborate on my "friends" having these transmissions...one has a 97gt, 2000 Gt, and an earlier model 01 (still had t45 before they switched to the 3650)...and none have had problems...and I banged on my shifter/trans hard at the track and never got a wimper from it...but I guess we all got the "lucky-good transmission" and everyone's is bad because the t45 according to you is a "bad transmission"...Again that is stereotyping...

"Again" you either had a bad trans or it was not driven properly by the previous owner...and on the rebuild...get a better place to rebuild it next time...a t45 rebuild isn't easy...its not just for your regular Joe...they need to have experience in building those particular trans...you would think whoever rebuild it for you would have experience with the t45 because it is a "bad transmission" and I'm sure he/she has had lots of practice

Okay...glad you cleared up your shifting technique...something wasn't right if it wasn't the "user error"...lemon transmission? Rare...

Whether I brought up "stereotyping" or not...you still stereotyped a transmission because of ONE incident...that has as much prevalence to me as someone saying they met a mean bearded man...so therefore all bearded men are mean...

If your going to say the T45 is a bad transmission don't be so bias about it...or atleast label the T5 as a bad transmission...

And if you think I continue to argue with people on here (usually just a select few)...start reading the post and see why...either they are giving poor info and not owning up to it, being rude theirself, or has a "past" with me...and you say I think I'm right all the time? Well I'll let you know now that I AM NOT RIGHT ALL THE TIME...if I ever become corrected with proof then I will admit it...and correct myself or explain what I mean...

 

[5spd GT]

T45 makes a great boat anchor! Get a built T5 or a new Tremec

If you want to compare a stock T45 to a built T5 or a Tremec then you miswell throw that stock T5 overboard and double up...

 

[5.0 Nostalgia]

To be honest, I really don't have anything against you. You make some nice posts. I just think that you can be a little insulting and I don't think you realize it. In this example, I merely stated my experiences with a t45 transmission and why it wouldn't be worth the hassle of fabricating it to fit in a 5.0. I wasn't even the first one to post the opinion. Out of nowhere, you go and conclude that the t45 most likely broke because of my own error. Then in your arguments you formulate your own opinion on the way things happened. First, you say it's user error when you have no idea what happened. Then you tell me to get a better builder. I am not going to actually accuse you of anything, but it "sounds" like your saying that the person that rebuilt the transmission did it wrong. Maybe they did, I don't know. But you don't either. You have no idea who rebuilt my transmission. So please stop drawing conclusions. Making the insult to me over what I said about a transmission that you don't even use anymore tells me one of two things: you wish you had your old car or you are confrontational. You seem to be a big fan of the 4.6. Honestly, I liked mine too, with the exception of the transmission problem. Go check it out on my page. It was mint. I am sure yours was too.

My conclusion to this big waste of time is this: Stock for stock, both the t5 and t45 have been known to be problematic (I never gave any opinion about the t5, you must have made another assumption). However, the t5 has a much better aftermarket for rebuilds and upgrades that make it a much better transmission to work with over a t45 any day of the week. Considering the cost of the rebuild and complexity, if I were to have another t45 blow (for whatever reason) I would probably buy a TKO instead of rebuilding it.

 

[5spd GT]

To be honest, I really don't have anything against you. You make some nice posts. I just think that you can be a little insulting and I don't think you realize it. In this example, I merely stated my experiences with a t45 transmission and why it wouldn't be worth the hassle of fabricating it to fit in a 5.0. I wasn't even the first one to post the opinion. Out of nowhere, you go and conclude that the t45 most likely broke because of my own error. Then in your arguments you formulate your own opinion on the way things happened. First, you say it's user error when you have no idea what happened. Then you tell me to get a better builder. I am not going to actually accuse you of anything, but it "sounds" like your saying that the person that rebuilt the transmission did it wrong. Maybe they did, I don't know. But you don't either. You have no idea who rebuilt my transmission. So please stop drawing conclusions. Making the insult to me over what I said about a transmission that you don't even use anymore tells me one of two things: you wish you had your old car or you are confrontational. You seem to be a big fan of the 4.6. Honestly, I liked mine too, with the exception of the transmission problem. Go check it out on my page. It was mint. I am sure yours was too.

My conclusion to this big waste of time is this: Stock for stock, both the t5 and t45 have been known to be problematic (I never gave any opinion about the t5, you must have made another assumption). However, the t5 has a much better aftermarket for rebuilds and upgrades that make it a much better transmission to work with over a t45 any day of the week. Considering the cost of the rebuild and complexity, if I were to have another t45 blow (for whatever reason) I would probably buy a TKO instead of rebuilding it.

Well not to "continue" the madness...but I don't see in your first post anything about the hassle of making it fit on a 5.0L...I just see you commenting on that "bad transmission"...

Formulating my own opinions? Or am I listing possible causes that could have caused the "bad transmission"...(lemon, driver error, previous driver error, poorly maintained internally)...It is the exact same thing as troubleshooting when someone has a 5.0L that won't start...you start listing "opinions" on what it could be...and it doesn't neccesarily mean they didn't connect the battery back after working on the car...it is just possible solutions to look into...

Your exactly right...I don't know if the rebuilder did it correctly (common sense should tell otherwise...if it shifts fine then it was rebuild correctly if taken literally)...but again my "rebuild" suggestion was again another "possible solution"...

Does it matter that I don't drive that T45 anymore? What does that affect anything (my friends give me enough t45 ) ...Sure I would like the car back...but that wasn't a good "slam"...doesn't bother me...and if confrontational is were I go against a "stereotype" then your right...I'm confrontational...

Big fan of the 4.6L? I look at the 4.6L and 5.0 evenly...but I will adamantly defend the "slow 4.6L" clause or vice versa...it just that some people think that more cubes means "better engine"...and forget to take in technology and changes over the years...I've owned both as my daily drivers and feel pretty attached to both...but if me taking up for 4.6L myths makes me a fan...then I am a fan...

I don't think the T5 or T45 are problematic for what they came out of the factory for...they are very reliable transmissions and can take a beating...but problems arise when extra strain is put on them...

Nice 4.6L

 

[5.0 Nostalgia]

I'm sorry if you thought I was slamming you. It was not my intention. I just get the impression you wish you had the car back and that's why you sometimes get defensive when someone says something you don't like about the 4.6 cars. Even though I sold my 4.6 for another 5.0, I still think it's a great car. Being that I had a 96, it was a little slower than a 99+ GT. I didn't really care about that though, as the car was a daily driver and I never really drove it hard. For the 281 displacement it puts out, the motor does a lot with it. Much more efficient use of hp than the 302. And damn did that motor run smooth. In the end, I sold mine because it just didn't fit for me. I found that it was a little more involved to work on. Oil changes and the like were easy and I installed the Speed Cal with no problems. I just feel more comfortable under the hood of the fox.

I agree with you on how some 5.0 guys like to dump on the 4.6. I don't go for that either. I still don't see why people on this site argue over the different types of Mustangs. An example: I went into the 2.3 forum a couple weeks ago for the first time to follow a thread where you and a couple 2.3 guys were going back and forth with Willys about the Vettes. I posted in that thread and ended up folllowing it when I got email updates. I hopped around there a bit and saw that some of those guys don't like 5.0 guys because some of the guys here treat them like jerks. A true stanger will have at least some interest and respect for all Mustangs. If you can make it go fast, then it's cool!

Now hopefully we can call a truce and go back and play like nice little kids.