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SatinSilverStan

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Hello everyone!

I am planning to do the mods below and my goal is 400rwhp..so my question is: providing that my car dynos 300rwhp now, with the mods below...will I reach my goal? if not..how close will I be? Also important to note that I have a 2002 s281sc w/series 2 SC.

Chicane pulley
Chicane rip kit
Chicane intercooler
cobra mass air meter
stage 1 or 2 cams
Mac Ceramic coated long tube headers
Dr Gas ceramic coated off road x pipe
Gords heat exchanger
focus pump
injectors (whatever size is needed)
Dyno Tune w/93 octane gas

My goal is to get to 400 rwhp without swapping out the blower for a kenne bell or a series 4 saleen sc

 

129saleen

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Well i had the exact stuff ur adding except the cams and I made 350whp so unless u get some really good cams I wouldnt expect 400...

 

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SatinSilverStan

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hmm really..I would have thought that I would have been well over 350 at the wheels... Do you think that even with the better intercooler and exchanger that the heat from the M90 would still be a major issue in reaching my goal?

 

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The series 2 is too small of a unit to make 400rwhp.Save your money and swap to a KB or a Novi 2k and you will be much happier.

 

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saleen556 said:

The series 2 is too small of a unit to make 400rwhp.Save your money and swap to a KB or a Novi 2k and you will be much happier.

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01GreenSaleenSC

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That is weird your car only dynoed at 300rwhp. What elevation are you at? I am 5500 feet up when the car was dynoed it was corrected to be 320rwhp with 91 octance, 66mm pulley, bassani off road pipe, and Demolet Tunable Induction CAI. I also have the series 2 blower and I have yet to do the Chicane intercooler. Just thought I would put my input. I was also at 340rwtq.

 

01GreenSaleenSC

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My bad, I thought you had those mods. Guess I should pay more attention to detail. Well at least you know what my car dynoed with a pulley, off-road pipe, and intake. Not as good as I thought it would but oh well. The pipe sounds good and intake lets the blower scream. As for numbers gain. Not all that impressed.

 

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Possible you were on a mustang dyno? Not a dynojet.

Any of you guys consider having the series 2 ported? I think steigameire will do it.

 

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SatinSilverStan

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01GreenSaleenSC said:

My bad, I thought you had those mods. Guess I should pay more attention to detail. Well at least you know what my car dynoed with a pulley, off-road pipe, and intake. Not as good as I thought it would but oh well. The pipe sounds good and intake lets the blower scream. As for numbers gain. Not all that impressed.

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Ok so here is where I get confused... if you dyno'ed 340 with just a pulley, off road pipe and an intake...would it not be reasonable to assume that you would dyno 30 - 40 rwhp higher with the additions of ceramic coated LT's and ceramic coated X pipe , intercooler and a tune? I can't believe that with the addition of thos 4 things, that only 10 more whp whould be produced??

 

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Stan, you didn't say yet, what kind of dyno you were on.

 

01GreenSaleenSC

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Mine was done on a dyno jet. I baselined at around 308 or so. I wish I had it dynoed before I put on the X-pipe and intake. But as for horsepower numbers I was not impressed with my car.

 

lgndracer

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Most of the restriction is in the intake manifold design. KB has thier own intake, that is mostly where they are getting the gains over other twin screws.

 

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SatinSilverStan

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ok I gave in!

SatinSilverStan said:

Hello everyone!

I am planning to do the mods below and my goal is 400rwhp..so my question is: providing that my car dynos 300rwhp now, with the mods below...will I reach my goal? if not..how close will I be? Also important to note that I have a 2002 s281sc w/series 2 SC.

Chicane pulley
Chicane rip kit
Chicane intercooler
cobra mass air meter
stage 1 or 2 cams
Mac Ceramic coated long tube headers
Dr Gas ceramic coated off road x pipe
Gords heat exchanger
focus pump
injectors (whatever size is needed)
Dyno Tune w/93 octane gas

My goal is to get to 400 rwhp without swapping out the blower for a kenne bell or a series 4 saleen sc

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I found an awesome Series 4 SC group buy on http://www.mustangforums.com/forumid_210/tt.htm ...I ended up getting it shipped to me w/ an 8 & 12 psi pulley for about $1,100 dollors under retail So at least now my 400 whp goals will be a little easier!

 

01GreenSaleenSC

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That is a good deal to get the Series 4 that cheap. Before you install you should read up and see if that intercooler sucks like the series 2 does. If it does since you got it cheap spend the 700 and get the chicane. You still saved yourself 400 if you did that. If not then you got a good S/C with a good intercooler. Myself as soon as I can if I can get a series 4 for cheap I will if not, then I am gonna go KB. Good luck man, let me know how it turns out.

 

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I would not worry about hp numbers so much when i put my s4 blower on i wanted to break into the 11's and thats what i did 11.9 at 114.8 i did it with stock mufflers and no headers just a xpipe with cats. i did it with 375 to the wheels. I beat lots of cars with more dyno hp so its so relative. Ive seen a auto car with s2 run 12.2 at 111mph. Now the s4 can make 400hp with the chicane intercooler upgrade

 

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SatinSilverStan

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The IC is actually better then the series 2 IC but I may need to finish sealing it up to ensure no air gets around it...

 

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SatinSilverStan

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Disco said:

I would not worry about hp numbers so much when i put my s4 blower on i wanted to break into the 11's and thats what i did 11.9 at 114.8 i did it with stock mufflers and no headers just a xpipe with cats. i did it with 375 to the wheels. I beat lots of cars with more dyno hp so its so relative. Ive seen a auto car with s2 run 12.2 at 111mph. Now the s4 can make 400hp with the chicane intercooler upgrade

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Was your car completely stock besides the series 4?

 

Disco

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Yes it was mods were 75mm tb 90mm mass 42's focus pump, chicane pulley. 373's mickey t's et streets skinnies too stock manifolds stock cat back high flow x pipe thats it. my tune with 14 deg timing and af about 11.6 average on the street. Here is the ironic part of i will admit i have never done this on a customer car but to my own i always had a ticking in the car after blower install. Thats because when i put it on a factory injector fell into pass next to last intake port and i closed the thing up and raced it for a year. it finally melted and took out a valve and beat up a piston so i fixed the valve and through it back together and it runs fine.

 

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SatinSilverStan

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hmm well it is nice to see that you had some good times at the strip...sorry to hear about the valve and the piston... The series 4 intercooler I thought was suppose to be better then the series 2...I was planning on having the gaps between the IC and the manifold taken care and call it a day...as I believe that is the major benefit to getting the chicane IC ....

so I plan to add the same mods you have listed above except the exhaust and the 3.73's . I am going to put on some ceramic coated long tubes & off road X pipe(ceramic coated as well) and a 12psi pulley.

So I hope the intercooler work and additional mods will put me at 400 to the wheels safely.

 

Disco

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if it was me i would not do the long tubes not worth the gains for the money i dont even have them on our shop 03 kb cobra that makes 600hp plus. Anyway i had done one of joe's intercooler swaps back in i think late jan or feb. it was a quick project he had the chicane pulley and mass air and injectors and when i tuned it it made 381hp to the wheels we added the upgraded intercooler and he had bassani mid lengths and just a quick dyno pull it made 399or 398hp to the wheels. I did not do a retune because of time restraints but soon plan too. I believe that car had about 14 degrees of timing in it. So if you add the intercooler you will be there no doubt. I noticed my ic temps on my personal car was around 150- 160 after hitting on it in the hot summer a few times. so at those temps the car will retard timing.